Are you part of the EEStory? Yes/No? You're not sure. OK. But maybe you are. Maybe you lurk this site looking for references to what you know about EEStor. Question: will today be the day that the EEStor blogger tracks you down to solicit a comment? You never know! Maybe it would be better to proactively reach out to the blogger by sending an email to eestorblog@gmail.com?
Take the case of Zibo Jiang from Linhai, China. In every way, just an ordinary graduate student embarking on what will certainly be a bright future for an extremely talented young person. A few years back, he studied in the UK at Birmingham University and moved on to MIT for a Masters of Engineering in Materials Science and Engineering. At some point in his journey, Mr. Jiang was bitten by the same bug that has bitten you dear reader. I'm talking about the EEStor bug, of course. Mr. Jiang, like so many of us, succumbed to the mystery and in partial fulfillment of the requirements for his degree, Mr. Jiang wrote a Master's Thesis on "Technology Assessment and Market Analysis of Solid State Ultracapacitors." The content of the thesis is heavily about EEStor Inc. Welcome to the EEStory, Mr. Jiang! Yes, fascinating read, sir!
What's that? You want to bring someone with you into the EEStory? Ok, no problem, who? Say it again, didn't catch that. Your Thesis Supervisor? Yes, sure, no problem, the more the merrier. But why would your Thesis Supervisor come with you into the EEStory, sir? Who was your Thesis Supervisor? Yet-Ming Chiang. Hhhhhmmmmm....doesn't ring a bell. Wait a second, do you mean the Yet-Ming Chiang of A123 Systems fame? No less than the founder of A123 Systems? Veerrry EEEnteresting, Mr. Jiang. I'm afraid I do have some bad news though, Mr. Jiang, You see, Mr Chiang will be unable to join us as I spoke to him today on the phone and he said to me, "I don't want to comment on EEStor." Ok, Mr. Chiang, but I only have one question: since you founded A123 Systems in 2001 and Mr. Jiang submitted his dissertation to you in September 2007, wouldn't your advise as an expert in the field be better served by advising your pupil to study a more relevant topic in the energy storage industry? I thought studying EEStor was like studying Santa Claus. Certainly, EEStor can't be real, sir, can it? Do academics at MIT study fantasies like EEStor? I'm told Penn State thinks this whole thing is a joke, so what happened to MIT??? Oh, wait, maybe this was one last check point prior to the B I G....I P O???
Note: I've successfully turned off the imaginary voices helping me write this article.
No need for medical intervention at this time, thank you.
If you're wondering what's in young Jiang's Master thesis, you'll have to read it yourself.
Note #2: I'm surprised so many regulars on the site have been so slow to arrive at an understanding of the significance of this information. I don't think I can spell it out any further other than to say, go back and read the Miller interview. Then contemplate the founder of one of EEStor's principle competitors guiding a graduate student through a Thesis on EEStor 6 yrs after having founded his company. Years after academia has dismissed EEStor and just prior to one's own IPO. Hello, anybody home out there?
Very interesting read.
Interestimg read, but nothing new that would make me run out and buy stock in Zenn. Why was there experimental testing done on the OSSU but all the data for the EEsu came straight from the patents. I was really hoping to see some experimental evidence that confirms the EEsu works as described.
I would say this can be seen as an indirect endorsement on EEStor. Otherwise, why wasting time on a scam?
laOrient, exactly!
The paper assumes that the technology in the patent can work. It is an analysis of what a working EESU would mean. It does mention that the price quoted in patent is unlikely to be reached just based on cost of materials (something that has been mentioned on the board here before).
Aiden, thanks for missing the point entirely.
DP, apology for the confusion. I was able to contact Mr. Chiang but not Mr. Jiang although I know how to reach him.
This story came about based on some dumb luck. I was researching other things at the time and came across the paper.
I was fascinated by the amount of content on EEStor and since I could not get Mr. Jiang on the phone, I thought contacting his advisor might be informative. I had no idea...at the time...that Mr. Chiang is who he is. In fact, even when I had him on the phone, I didn't know it. It was because he sort of politely brushed me off that caused me to google him. Fireworks after that. He's a very smart man indeed and his company appears to be making excellent progress. So I he deserves a lot of respect despite my silly approach to the article.
marcus, I think your view again misses the point. The significance of the discovery is that the founder of a major competitor to EEStor, ie, A123 System, allowed a student of his to write a thesis on EEStor at all. If all of the scientific understanding precludes EEStor's technology from working, it seems odd that a person with that type of background would permit such a topic to be entertained at all.
I've learned a few new tidbits related to this topic which I'll be posting this week hopefully...pending a conversation i still need to have.
again, the information here in this thread is not being offered as proof of eestor's certain success. it's simply saying, things seem to be much more interesting than a lot of the skeptics like you would have us non-science minded folks believe. I think under analysis, the skepticism on the site would not admit--until now--that leading academics in the field consider EEStor's technology to be worthy of investigation.
I find it interesting that the study is about PHEVs.
EESTOR or Zenn have not released any plans or news relating to plug in hybrids. However, this thesis leaves out pure EV's- it is a study of EESTOR vs. Lithium Ion fighting it out for market share of the PHEV segment. Look at all the comparisons.
Maybe someone is a little woried or just curious for details on a possible competitor.
I'm sure A123 or any other battery manufacturer pursuing the PHEV market would be interested in this thesis or a similar study of EESTOR.
good post. PHEVs are some of my interest.
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