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New Information On Shelby SuperCars' Green Technology

"SSC's Nanotechnology Rechargeable Lithium Battery pack is rechargeable in only 10 minutes on a standard 110 outlet and has a 150-200 mile range on a single charge. This means that in a typical 8 hour day, the car using this technology could go 200 miles, charge for 10 minutes (the time it typically takes to fill up a tank of gas), then drive 200 more miles, charge for 10 minutes and continue on. Some other EV technologies necessitate an overnight charge creating a class of "commuter electric cars" and are not practical alternatives to gas combustion automobiles."

Last edited Wed, 21 Jan 2009, 6:53pm by Steve321

Steve321 wrote:

"SSC's Nanotechnology Rechargeable Lithium Battery pack is rechargeable in only 10 minutes on a standard 110 outlet and has a 150-200 mile range on a single charge.

10 minutes on a standard 110V 15A outlet is less than 1/3 kWh.

Someone is being economical with the truth.

Robert

How is this explained?

Article likely fud.

Example: 120 Volts (the standard number used for 110 outlets) and 15 amp circuit equals a total wattage of 1,800.

So this battery takes in at most 1,800 watts for 10 mins, to be fully charged.

Most EV Car(s) (street legal) have motor(s) that consume at load 1k watts or more, so this will last about ~15mins on the road at speed.

spaceballs_3000 wrote:

Article likely fud.

Example: 120 Volts (the standard number used for 110 outlets) and 15 amp circuit equals a total wattage of 1,800.

So this battery takes in at most 1,800 watts for 10 mins, to be fully charged.

Most EV Car(s) (street legal) have motor(s) that consume at load 1k watts or more, so this will last about ~15mins on the road at speed.

It sounds to good to be true. SSC claims they have a Ultimate Aero EV prototype. In this article is the full press release:
Ultimate Aero EV: SSC Plans To Build World's Fastest Electric Production Car

Steve321 wrote:

In this article is the full press release:
Ultimate Aero EV: SSC Plans To Build World's Fastest Electric Production Car

As I said someone is being economical with the truth.

Robert

Not exactly the most common expression, Robert. Care to be less economical with your explanations? :p If you're saying they've left out important details, I can understand that. But I don't see how what they're saying is remotely possible, unless it's a blatant lie.

I checked out SSC website and found this press release.
It mentions the possibility of several years between charges with a 500 Horsepower motor.
http://www.shelbysupercars.com/news-071208.php

Where is YPO! LOL

rampage wrote:

Not exactly the most common expression, Robert. Care to be less economical with your explanations? :p If you're saying they've left out important details, I can understand that. But I don't see how what they're saying is remotely possible, unless it's a blatant lie.

It's a somewhat common expression that means someone is lying.

Robert

Possibly the "years between charges" refers to a low self discharge rate, but if they can't be bothered to say clearly what they mean I don't see any reason to pay attention to them.

Topic discussed here previously Sept. 09:

Losers, if Shelby's "revolutionary power source" works

Shelby's "revolutionary power source" an EESU?

We now know it's not an EESU.

Robert wrote:

As I said someone is being economical with the truth.

Robert

"to good to be true" means possible lie.

As Robert said, or implied, it's simply not possible, period. Normal house wiring simply cannot carry that much power.

Maybe they left something out. Maybe the claim is there's a charger which goes in the garage, a charger which can be slow-charged overnight with 110 volt power, then used to fast-charge the car in 10 minutes.

Maybe.

Robert wrote:

It's a somewhat common expression that means someone is lying.

I've never heard that expression either, Robert.

The expression means something very important has been omitted. It's not so much a lie, but rather a willful omitting of the full story. That's what I was trying to get out of Robert: did he think it was a lie, or simply careful wording that leaves something out, without being inherently untrue.

My opinion is it's probably a mistake, unless, as Lensman suggests, there is some kind of dischargeable external storage unit. Something that elaborate to accomplish rapid charging at home seems kind of silly to me. As others have said, the highways are where people really need rapid charging.

I plan to contact SSC tomorrow.

rampage wrote:

The expression means something very important has been omitted. It's not so much a lie, but rather a willful omitting of the full story. That's what I was trying to get out of Robert: did he think it was a lie, or simply careful wording that leaves something out, without being inherently untrue.

My opinion is it's probably a mistake, unless, as Lensman suggests, there is some kind of dischargeable external storage unit. Something that elaborate to accomplish rapid charging at home seems kind of silly to me. As others have said, the highways are where people really need rapid charging.

I plan to contact SSC tomorrow.

Lensman wrote:

As Robert said, or implied, it's simply not possible, period. Normal house wiring simply cannot carry that much power.

Maybe they left something out. Maybe the claim is there's a charger which goes in the garage, a charger which can be slow-charged overnight with 110 volt power, then used to fast-charge the car in 10 minutes.

Maybe.

Robert wrote:

It's a somewhat common expression that means someone is lying.

I've never heard that expression either, Robert.

Instead of "economical with the truth", you might prefer the saying "economical with the actualite", a phrase coined famously by one of the most entertaining characters to have graced the Houses of Parliament - the late Alan Clark, member for Plymouth Sutton (and later Kensington and Chelsea), military historian and author of various books, most notably the Alan Clark Diaries.

It is splitting hairs slightly, but one can be economical with the truth without actually lying, if you're clever about it, although that would still leave you open to the charge of being disingenuous.

Back to the main point - if (as is claimed) Altair Nano's battery can be fast charged in ten minutes using an "onboard charger", then why not this one?

Doesn't Altair plug its battery into a normal electrical socket for a fast charge? Or are they being economical with the actualite as well?

Last edited Thu, 22 Jan 2009, 7:36am by AD2

rampage wrote:

The expression means something very important has been omitted. It's not so much a lie, but rather a willful omitting of the full story. That's what I was trying to get out of Robert: did he think it was a lie, or simply careful wording that leaves something out, without being inherently untrue.

My opinion is it's probably a mistake, unless, as Lensman suggests, there is some kind of dischargeable external storage unit. Something that elaborate to accomplish rapid charging at home seems kind of silly to me. As others have said, the highways are where people really need rapid charging.

I plan to contact SSC tomorrow.

Don't be suprised if they don't answer your question. The Aero EV is "Shrouded in mystery and secrecy". Sounds like an EESTOR company.