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Does the permit state that Eestor own #109?

It states that the improvements are done by owner, but strictly speaking it doesn't state that Eestor owns the unit. They could be leasing?

According to tax records the unit is owned by Integrated Banking Technology.

Same records state that Eestor owns unit #107

xcgeek wrote:

pchamp5 wrote:

speculation is on regarding who did the mispelling?
Was it just a clerk at the city or was it EEStor intentionally mispelling it (when filing) to avoid radar detection by the forum of spying eyes on this board

Clerk: "So your company name is E-STORE"
EESTOR: "No, it's "E" "E" "STOR". We moved the last "E" from the end to the beginning."

Yea this is does seem rather odd. I think I feel a FOIA request being typed as I uhhhh type. ;-)

From Tax records:
Owner ID: O0358540
Owner Name: EE STOR INC
Owner Address: ATTN: TOM WEIR, VP 715 DISCOVERY BLVD STE 107
CEDAR PARK,TX 78613
Property Address: 715 DISCOVERY BLVD CEDAR PARK TX 78613

Wow - this must mean EESu is for real. Should I change my signature percentages ? ;-)

The previous tennant in Suite 109, Integrated Bank Technologies, is a banking software company, who moved their Cedar Park Headquarters sometime earlier this year, though it is unclear when exactly they vacated the Discovery Blvd location:
http://www.ibanktech.com/content/view/80/87/
Also, it seem unclear if IBT is leasing or selling the property. It is still their name on the property tax records, though it takes time for those to update. Still, if Eestor was looking for extra space, the timing was fortuitous for them, for the space adjacent to their own becoming available- which may explain why Eestor did not need the Cedar Park Economic Development Office to help them find more space: http://theeestory.com/topics/3677

From the online Discovery Business Park directory:

107 - EEStor, Inc., Builds energy storage units that fit into a green emphasis

109 - Integrated Bank Technology, Provides software and processing solutions to financial institutions

111 - City of Cedar Park, Parks and Recreation Department

So if EEStor is expanding over to 110, that means they must have already taken over 108 & 109, or are in the process of doing so.

I'm another WeirDo who has difficulty believing that EEStor is moving laterally to another office in the same office park. That makes no sense, considering the amount of money they must have spent on installing new ventilation, upgrading the electrical system, etc. in their current space. What *might* make sense is for them to move the office over to 110, leaving room for expansion of their lab/workspace in 107. Pure speculation, of course.

*Or* perhaps EEStor really *has* taken over the spaces in between. Looking up "Integrated Bank Technology" in Cedar Park, I see their website gives their address as:

1101 Arrow Point #305
Cedar Park, TX 78613

So perhaps they've moved. [Edit: I see Paul already addressed this bit of info, above. Well done, Paul!]

And here's another place where a WeirDo who lives within easy driving distance of EEStor's office can do a bit of productive spying for us. Is there currently any business located between #107 and #110? Is the name of any business displayed on #108 or #109?

Last edited Tue, 17 Nov 2009, 12:55am by Lensman

AllElectricCars is reporting on this story but they throw in the negative comment

According to the EEStor enthusiast blog which follows the story very closely, a permit was issued in August to allow EEStor to expand at least into the 2800 square foot adjoining store.

However, this report is disputed.

According to Phil Brewer who is director of Cedar Park economic development, "EEStor has not submitted any plans for expansion."

The question now is, when did Phil Brewer say this?

DGDanforth wrote:

AllElectricCars is reporting on this story but they throw in the negative comment

According to the EEStor enthusiast blog which follows the story very closely, a permit was issued in August to allow EEStor to expand at least into the 2800 square foot adjoining store.

However, this report is disputed.

According to Phil Brewer who is director of Cedar Park economic development, "EEStor has not submitted any plans for expansion."

The question now is, when did Phil Brewer say this?

They are expanding through their building. Unless 110 and 107 are adjacent where are the filings on what's in between?

They are taking up more space as close as they can get it for now. They may or may not have plans in place to take over anything that is in between.

They are moving from one unit to another. It could be for rent. It could be for utility access, or some other feature.

Lensman wrote:

From the online Discovery Business Park directory:

107 - EEStor, Inc., Builds energy storage units that fit into a green emphasis

109 - Integrated Bank Technology, Provides software and processing solutions to financial institutions

111 - City of Cedar Park, Parks and Recreation Department

So if EEStor is expanding over to 110, that means they must have already taken over 108 & 109, or are in the process of doing so.

I'm another WeirDo who has difficulty believing that EEStor is moving laterally to another office in the same office park. That makes no sense, considering the amount of money they must have spent on installing new ventilation, upgrading the electrical system, etc. in their current space. What *might* make sense is for them to move the office over to 110, leaving room for expansion of their lab/workspace in 107. Pure speculation, of course.

*Or* perhaps EEStor really *has* taken over the spaces in between. Looking up "Integrated Bank Technology" in Cedar Park, I see their website gives their address as:

1101 Arrow Point #305
Cedar Park, TX 78613

So perhaps they've moved. [Edit: I see Paul already addressed this bit of info, above. Well done, Paul!]

And here's another place where a WeirDo who lives within easy driving distance of EEStor's office can do a bit of productive spying for us. Is there currently any business located between #107 and #110? Is the name of any business displayed on #108 or #109?

There is no Suite# 108- at least, according to the tax records- it could be that it was folded into #107 or #109-110 before. There are other such gaps throughout this office park- I'm sure when these were originally built to suit, some got combined for a larger space for the buyer/tennant.

Another intersting tidbit- suite 107 is valued, as of 2009 at around $165,000 - suite 109-110 is only valued at about a third of that. Now, according to the PDF from the the Certificate of Occupancy, suite 109-110 is 2800 square feet. All things being equal, that would put suite 107 at least twice the size, up to three times the size. This give them a good size work space (and probably shows where the space for the original suite 108 went to- it was folded into suite 107 when built out).

I'm a bit confused at the information that's been presented here. It seems that the general consensus is that EESTOR bought the adjacent building in order to accommodate more production space.
But isn't this contradictory to the previously generally accepted assumption that production was being built up elsewhere?
Is there evidence that production is being moved in from an offsite location, or are we to assume they've been producing in Cedar Park all along (which is possible given the certainly tiny number of units produced thus far for testing)?

Maybe a piece of art can be commissioned, a blessing made, and a reporter can ask if the expansion is going well.
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stor...

Or, give Marty a call and suggest an eesu for every pot.
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stor...

Paulcummings55 wrote:

Another intersting tidbit- suite 107 is valued, as of 2009 at around $165,000 - suite 109-110 is only valued at about a third of that. Now, according to the PDF from the the Certificate of Occupancy, suite 109-110 is 2800 square feet. All things being equal, that would put suite 107 at least twice the size, up to three times the size. This give them a good size work space (and probably shows where the space for the original suite 108 went to- it was folded into suite 107 when built out).

Unit 107 is 7500 sqft

http://www.theeestory.com/files/Cedar_Park_2005_Permits.pdf

For those of us who think in metrics:

1 square foot = 0.09290304 square meters

Unit 107 is 7500 sqft = 700 m^2
suite 109-110 is 2800 sqft = 260 m^2

now I can visualize the size of the units

This is just storage space for EESU's, cash and
office space. Production lines are somewhere else.

Last edited Tue, 17 Nov 2009, 5:52am by _EEexpired

More unverified stock pumping.

Anyway, why would they expand when they have an ultra-secret offsite facility guarded by LM employees?

Read The Thread

trick wrote:

More unverified stock pumping.

Anyway, why would they expand when they have an ultra-secret offsite facility guarded by LM employees?

Read The Thread

Cause the Ultra secret plant is only for DOD/LM, Cedar park is for Zenn and the prototype production lines and cash storage.
Re-read the thread and keep up..

If you think anyone is silly enough to buy stock based on my post then maybe they would also like to buy my harbour bridge

Last edited Tue, 17 Nov 2009, 6:39am by _EEexpired

Seriously though, Anyone have any opinion as to whether there are other production lines?

Seems like Cedar park may be big enough for a pilot plant but if there was to be a serious production effort would this be big enough?
What volume could be produced in this place, I would not expect this to be large enough for anything more than a pilot plant, not enough for Zenn to be supplied in any quantity that could be used for a anything more than a demonstration.

mmmm Production lines for large scale commercialization would I expect need a good part of say 1200 acres.....

EEexpired wrote:

trick wrote:

More unverified stock pumping.

Anyway, why would they expand when they have an ultra-secret offsite facility guarded by LM employees?

Read The Thread

Cause the Ultra secret plant is only for DOD/LM, Cedar park is for Zenn and the prototype production lines and cash storage.
Re-read the thread and keep up..

If you think anyone is silly enough to buy stock based on my post then maybe they would also like to buy my harbour bridge

Aaaah, of course. They have a top secret one AND they are expanding their public one.

It makes perfect sense now.

Their production line could have been proved out during 2008/09 at an undisclosed LM facility.

For what its worth.

On sept. 2nd I circled their building a couple times and saw someone come out of eestor main entrance and enter the building behind the black truck in the picture, there also was electrical contractor working behind the new space. Seems to fit time of permit pretty well.

Why don't we get together and hire a PI to actually find information on this company? I'm willing to donate some funds in this regard.

It would make sense to me that they are moving there offices into the new 2800sq.ft. facility and building out the space used for this at 107 for more room for the production line. I think many are underestimating the room 7500sp.ft. is in reguards to a production line.

Moving offices also might jive with the fact that the City was not initially aware of an expansion as this would probably not even be noticed by them.

Last edited Tue, 17 Nov 2009, 11:41am by hbert

these two units are next to each other. Depending on whether or not the separating wall is a fire wall there isn't too much to connecting the two units. The granting of a CO would indicate this was done as it normally indicates a change in the building structure requiring an inspection to insure it conforms to local codes. The person you need to know is the fire marshall and/or building inspector. Get his name and send his wife flowers.:)

IMHO the additional space will be used to train buyers to setup and use their (EEstor's)proprietary equipment. Building actual EEsu's will be onsite at each buyers own facilities.

Selling of and training for the production lines in these spaces makes more sense than building EEsu's onsite.

The pilot line they already have can produce the few test units they will need.

booyahjohnson wrote:

Why don't we get together and hire a PI to actually find information on this company? I'm willing to donate some funds in this regard.

Someone already did that a long while back. I think the info gathered was only moderately helpful. I don't know about Texas, but in many states PIs are very constrained in what they can and can't do. You're better off just asking someone to drive by.

The assessment showing up on the tax rolls would be for personal property not real property. It says on assessment form that it is for personal property(equipment etc.). Without actually having the personal property tax form we don't know if they have $10,000,000.00 worth of equipment or $165,000.00 worth of equipment. Every state taxes these things differently and allow exemptions for manufacturing and research. The only thing it tells us is that they are expanding. Given the investment from Zenn, I would expect that they have the cash to finish things out now.

Tvillars foia request confirms the above. The form clearly states that eestor is renting. They also mention the space is administrative only. Not manufacturing batteries.

The other night I did an exhaustive search for simmilar records in austin and came up empty. If they are in austin, which is what has been mentioned by others as the production line location they must be using a different name or some other ogranizations facilities.

Last edited Tue, 17 Nov 2009, 1:27pm by wifesaidnoEEstory

Their office is close to mine. I can pop over and take a look if you guys have some specific questions. I can try to peer through the windows, but I should prolly do that after hours so I don't look like a freak.
So far, you guys want to know:
If there is anything between the old and new space.
Whether they seem to be moving, expanding between the two spaces, or taking out both spaces and not the space between.
Anything else? I only want to make one trip.

take pictures of pilot production line and prototype eesue's pls

eesu's

I'm disappointed that people have shrugged off the question as to whether this is an expansion or a move. Nothing should be taken as a given here. If 110 (the new suite) is 1/3 the size and price of 107 (the current suite) as indicated, there are two completely plausible explanations:

1) Eestor retained 107 and bought 110 with the intent of expanding
2) Eestor sold (or is planning to sell) 107 and bought 110, with the intent of reducing costs and/or downsizing the operation here.

Personally, I hope that it's scenario 1, and would interpret this as a very bullish sign. But neither of these scenarios should be dismissed out of hand without further evidence.

halfdeadcat wrote:

Their office is close to mine. I can pop over and take a look if you guys have some specific questions.

For me, most important thing is whether the original unit shows signs of being emptied or cleaned out. Appreciate your willingness to investigate further.

Ryan

-- edit: new unit is 110, not 111

Last edited Tue, 17 Nov 2009, 3:50pm by rbrohman