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My guess is this is for increased powder production/storage

My brain does not grok EEStor producing EESUs on-site. Still think that will occur on customer/partner locations.

I could be wrong. But I don't think I am.

tvillars wrote:

Paulcummings55 wrote:

Another intersting tidbit- suite 107 is valued, as of 2009 at around $165,000 - suite 109-110 is only valued at about a third of that. Now, according to the PDF from the the Certificate of Occupancy, suite 109-110 is 2800 square feet. All things being equal, that would put suite 107 at least twice the size, up to three times the size. This give them a good size work space (and probably shows where the space for the original suite 108 went to- it was folded into suite 107 when built out).

Unit 107 is 7500 sqft

http://www.theeestory.com/files/Cedar_Park_2005_Permits.pdf

Oh! Now you tell me! You know how many brain cells I burned up doing the math from the tax evaluations;-)

cooties wrote:

The other night I did an exhaustive search for simmilar records in austin and came up empty. If they are in austin, which is what has been mentioned by others as the production line location they must be using a different name or some other ogranizations facilities.

Try Cedar Park, Williamson County

I did search williamson county and travis county. Williamson county had a hit for the location on discovery blvd. It had the same information on it that had been mentioned on this site two or three times over the last year. Nothing new.

cooties wrote:

I did search williamson county and travis county. Williamson county had a hit for the location on discovery blvd. It had the same information on it that had been mentioned on this site two or three times over the last year. Nothing new.

misunderstood thought you ment discovery blvd.

I still want to know why there were next to no vehicles in the vicinity of their supposed offices on a work day.
1) - they are all working at their secret production site?
2) - It is a scam and they are all on holidays while they plot how to get ZENN or someone else to give them some more money so they don't have to come back to the US.

Unless it turns out that Eestor is downsizing, this is goodnews. It would be better news to find the site filled with people taking orders. But I think the web site will appear before that happens. I too checked the land records and only thing I found relating to the subject matter is that Mr. & Mrs. Weir bought a home in 2006 in Williamson County. It's nice to know they aren't renters.

Seriously. This place is not their production facility. Its a freaking mall. Its administrative offices. Its logical that they expand office space as release date approache they will need to have more management employees to handle all that we can and cannot imagine. They will probably build a high rise building a couple years after to set up their empire headquarters. They wont rent forever.

EEexpired wrote:

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AussieBloke wrote:

EEexpired wrote:

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Paulcummings55 wrote:

There is no Suite# 108- at least, according to the tax records- it could be that it was folded into #107 or #109-110 before.

I have a similar thought/guess; that EEStor already occupied #107 *and* #108. There would be no reason to list both on a building directory. So perhaps they're expanding to #109 & #110. But it seems odd that the document in question would have specified only #110, and not #109. Since the (outdated) building directory lists only 107, 109 & 111, this suggests to me that 109 & 110 are combined into one office, as 107 & 108 probably are also.

iwouldbuyit wrote:

I'm a bit confused at the information that's been presented here. It seems that the general consensus is that EESTOR bought the adjacent building in order to accommodate more production space.
But isn't this contradictory to the previously generally accepted assumption that production was being built up elsewhere?
Is there evidence that production is being moved in from an offsite location, or are we to assume they've been producing in Cedar Park all along (which is possible given the certainly tiny number of units produced thus far for testing)?

A nit-picking correction: It's not that EEStor has bought the adjacent building, it's that apparently they've bought the adjoining office in one building of the office park; building #1 on this diagram:

There has been an ongoing assumption, since before this forum was established, that EEStor built or was building a full-sized factory somewhere, apparently in stealth. Statements by Ian Clifford certainly *seemed* to indicate this, as did the statement in B's "EEStor Beyond Permittivity" blog post:

What Weir wanted to talk about was the next milestone for EEStor Inc, which is the construction of a new facility with 6-7 production lines to join the one that is now either fully completed or nearing completion.

But recently disclosed e-mails between EEStor and Cedar Park Economic Development seem to indicate there is no other facility. Nor does any statement by Dr. Golla, or anything in the Jacob Securities report, or any statement by the congresscritter who toured EEStor back in June, indicate any other facility exists.

You can read discussion of this point in this thread.

What is *not* in dispute-- or at least, shouldn't be-- is that EEStor has a pilot production line *inside* their office space in the Discovery Business Park in Cedar Park. That's why they upgraded the ventilation and electrical systems there; that's where Dr. Golla says the production line is located. He also said the material he tested for the Permittivity tests is from the production line there.

Last edited Wed, 18 Nov 2009, 5:06am by Lensman

I agree Lens.
There may also be a desire to expand a bit to provide a noise buffer for their activities and/or relieve some congestion within the facility. When Congressman Carter visited his impression suggested that there was lots of activity centered on equipment in this facility. The Congressman is not likely a technologist and so we can wonder if he was describing the condition of complexity in tight quarters as well.
I give tours of our engineering lab from time to time and the prototypes with tubes, lights, noise and motion always impresses the most (bells and whistles). I think it is reasonable that a small pilot line to produce a limited sized EESU for Zenn's final milestone is doable at this location. The opportunity to move some desks and perhaps some material storage next door seems reasonable and expected.

Perhaps they are partially moving out. The new facility is being populated by production and engineering staff and the needs of the Cedar Park facility are less now.

I've been wondering WHEN would be a good time to make this move to a larger facility. It's quite possible that that time is NOW because the samples for marketing, units for UL testing, and pre-production units are ready to ship. If there was ever a window of opportunity to move and/or expand and control the disruption of your operation, it would be now.

For the deniers: It would also be about time to get the hell out of Dodge if you are choosing to conclude the most poorly executed scam in the history of theft.

For EE-tom: The added space is for mental health professionals to perform mind control on the entire population of EEStor/LM/Zenn/UL/PTI/Polarity functionaries to maintain a state of delusion because a slipup now could cost EEStor thousands of the remaining dollars they need to fly to Rio with.

A good reason to have offices seperated is security. Once reveal takes place the need to secure the production facility will be much higher and the amount of attention given Eestor will have to be dealt with. A seperate office area will help on both counts.

Anybody know what type of office administrative space UL would require if EEStor chose to pay the additional fees for onsite evaluation?

Also, EExpired, if it is a toll bridge, I would be more interested.

halfdeadcat wrote:

Their office is close to mine. I can pop over and take a look if you guys have some specific questions. I can try to peer through the windows, but I should prolly do that after hours so I don't look like a freak.

I'm not sure I would reccommend peaking through windows after hours. From what I understand guns are kind of popular in texas? If your gonna go just walk up and take a look during the day. Dont think there is a law against that.

I believe less in the theory of a partial move out.

Eestor own their current locale and the new one (according to tax records) is rented.

If Eestor is moving to a new outside locale they would surely move both production and administration.

Regardless, it would imply that they would be selling their current locale or renting it out.

I haven't heard any report about this unit (#107) being listed for sale or rent.

I don't think we have to complicate this. The most likely scenario is that they needed additional space.

hbert wrote:

A good reason to have offices seperated is security. Once reveal takes place the need to secure the production facility will be much higher and the amount of attention given Eestor will have to be dealt with. A seperate office area will help on both counts.

... especially as nobody knows where it is.

Oh, wait.. darn. It's all over the internet now.

It's still not clear why they are doing this. Have they really started to run out of space? They already have quite a large facility for the small number of people there.

Are they planning to change their current office space into a factory and warehouse? If so, dont they need to apply for a permit? It's hardly an ideal location for a factory & warehouse unless they are low volume.

Or are they anticipating tough times ahead for cashflow, in which case a move to a smaller rental and sale of current premises makes all kinds of sense?

I just dont see what is driving this. Why would a startup almost double their admin facilities before they have even recorded their first sale?

The information about the congressman's visit in June states only that they visited the "EEStor facility" where the production line is. It doesn't say "Office" or mention Discovery Blvd. Yes, it COULD have been there, but it doesn't definately say that.

People from the area posting here are almost uniform in noting no special activity around the Discovery Blvd office site. These observations have been during the day, evening and weekends. These viewings are not continuous, but over time even randomly, someone should see some thing. Especially if, as the congressman's visit was described, they had an "extensive tour" and there were many workers busily going about their tasks.

One poster knocked on the EEStor office door at Discovery Blvd and noted, I think, that Betty Weir, then Tom Weir came to the door. Apparently there is no security guard buffer in place.

While no one here--except maybe B--KNOWS what's inside the building at Discovery Blvd, if only for stealth and security reasons doesn't it seem likely that the full production line is elsewhere. It could be down the street or around the corner, but not there.

Imagine you have a groundbreaking technology that could topple other technologies and put companies out of business. You develop this technology in stealth mode with very little if any leakage of information. Yet at night you walk away leaving proof of the technology behind nothing but a locked door or two. As far as anyone has reported, there is no outward security presence at night. For this reason alone, it would seem the actual full production line is HIDDEN somewhere else-- and fully guarded and secured around the clock.

Last edited Wed, 18 Nov 2009, 1:46pm by eureka!

Wednesday, September 2, 2009
After Tour of EEStor Facilities, US Congressman John Carter R (TX) says EEStor will "change the entire automotive industry"

It all started with an innocuous June 30, 2009 tweet on Twitter, "well, it's only taken me a year, but I get to meet EEStor this morning." The author of the message was Larry Holt, Economic Development Specialist for Cedar Park, TX. Accompanying Holt to this meeting would be his boss, Phil Brewer and Texas Congressman John Carter with a staff assistant. The meeting included "an extensive tour" of the production line which was "fully staffed with a very busy team." One attendee concluded that there was "a lot of money being spent" in the EEStor facility, adding, "they're not building pet rocks in there." As well, Dick Weir reportedly said with a chuckle, "Now, the bloggers say we can't do this... but we're doing it!"

The tour was a typical outreach effort from a representative like Congressman John Carter, where local businesses are contacted to gain feedback.

I contacted Phil Brewer and Larry Holt from the Cedar Park Economic Development Council for comment on this tour, however, both declined official comment besides acknowledging that it did indeed occur. This blogger's presumption is that they are adhering to EEStor's desire for secrecy.

Via email, Congressman Carter issued this statement regarding his visit to EEStor facilities:

"It is exciting that we have a Central Texas company this close to
revolutionizing transportation as we know it in America. The electric
storage technology that I saw at EEStor can dramatically change the
entire automotive industry and our overall economy when placed in mass
product. I'm looking forward to great things in the very near future
from this company." - U.S. Rep. John Carter (R-TX31)
____________________________________________-

-"B"

The discovery BLVD location may not have been where they visited but it was visited by...

"Accompanying Holt to this meeting would be his boss, Phil Brewer and Texas Congressman John Carter with a staff assistant. The meeting included "an extensive tour" of the production line"

Phil brewer and Holt are Cedar park officials so would they be touring outside cedar park?
I don't recall any other public facilites with EEStor's name attached. Seems to strongly suggest the "facility" is the one on Discovery BLVD.

Post 96, third sentence:

"Yes, it COULD have been there [Discovery Blvd], but it doesn't definately say that."

Post 96, 2nd sentence: ..."It could be down the street or around the corner, but not there [Discovery Blvd]."

Secretive; stealth; misdirect; HIDDEN; NDA; veil of secrecy; screen; camouflage; conceal, etc.
The production line is in an "EEStor facility" no matter where it is.

trick wrote:

I just dont see what is driving this. Why would a startup almost double their admin facilities before they have even recorded their first sale?

May be that they've already recorded their first sale. They are a private company, they can do what ever they like without disclosing a thing to the public. With the right legislative and tax lawyers i'm sure there are a multitude of ways to avoid showing a progressive front in the way making sure uncle sam gets his cut. (the only other way i could imagine there would be proof of a sale of goods) Ironically though, contrary to the statment, taxes in this case would be proof of life.

Does anyone know what Zenn is doing with their production facility? If they are not making cars are they setting up to make drive trains or EESUs?

TV's research shows that the space can only be used for administration. It can NOT be used for manufacturing or storage of any kind.

The question shoud be why do they need this space with only the specific use as an administrative office ?

Remembering what was said by Weir if you're cranking the line up it probably would not be fun to try and do office works and have meetings in the same area

Speaking in June/July and expanding in August... coincedence ?

Ultra

eureka! wrote:

The information about the congressman's visit in June states only that they visited the "EEStor facility" where the production line is. It doesn't say "Office" or mention Discovery Blvd. Yes, it COULD have been there, but it doesn't definately say that.

People from the area posting here are almost uniform in noting no special activity around the Discovery Blvd office site. These observations have been during the day, evening and weekends. These viewings are not continuous, but over time even randomly, someone should see some thing. Especially if, as the congressman's visit was described, they had an "extensive tour" and there were many workers busily going about their tasks.

One poster knocked on the EEStor office door at Discovery Blvd and noted, I think, that Betty Weir, then Tom Weir came to the door. Apparently there is no security guard buffer in place.

While no one here--except maybe B--KNOWS what's inside the building at Discovery Blvd, if only for stealth and security reasons doesn't it seem likely that the full production line is elsewhere. It could be down the street or around the corner, but not there.

Imagine you have a groundbreaking technology that could topple other technologies and put companies out of business. You develop this technology in stealth mode with very little if any leakage of information. Yet at night you walk away leaving proof of the technology behind nothing but a locked door or two. As far as anyone has reported, there is no outward security presence at night. For this reason alone, it would seem the actual full production line is HIDDEN somewhere else-- and fully guarded and secured around the clock.

"It is exciting that we have a Central Texas company this close to
revolutionizing transportation as we know it in America. The electric
storage technology that I saw at EEStor can dramatically change the
entire automotive industry and our overall economy when placed in mass
product. I'm looking forward to great things in the very near future
from this company." - U.S. Rep. John Carter (R-TX31)

Couple of things I'm wondering.
Why the words "so close" ... to revolutionizing transportation.
Was it so far off in June to not beeing able to claim yet victory? Or perhaps that's the motto EEstor has asked visitors: phrase it as not a done deal

On another note regarding the location of the facility:
The fact we do not see any other buildings in the area registered to EEstor might point to 2 possibilities:
1) there isn't any and things are done in that discovery blvd building. (Is that true what TV's research said?)
2) the other building is in stealth mode- it is leased out to another company owned by Dick Weir or somebody which sublease to eestor or some tricks like this.

So, unless it is for stealth, I personally don't understand why 2 different buildings. If the building is large enough, you stick your admin part far away from the manufacturing facility but most companies will have them together.

Dick Weir bought a house in Cedar Park in 2006 so the actual production line could be in his garage or basement. And for the tweeters out there, Congressman Carter tweets. Might be a good idea to follow in case he gives a heads up on his next trip to Eestor for the reveal.:)

There are lots of possibilities. But the simplest is that they need more room for the pilot production line, and an EESU assembly area (semi-manual and later robotic). As someone else pointed out, they will have lots of visitors from any number of companies wanting to visit after reveal. It makes sense to completely separate the production floor from the office space, a separate but attached unit right next door will do this nicely. Less chance of someone getting 'lost' on the way to the bathroom that way.

I do understand the "want" of a secret, much larger, mass production EEStor facility being built somewhere else. The sooner a full volume EESU production line exists, the sooner I can have one in my _____. But I doubt that can happen without a LOT more money. And as DW said, that money will come when you deliver an EESU. And as an engineer, DW wants the production line to be right. He wants to characterize all the knobs, when to turn them, and what effect they have when turned.

Questions like: If you change the composition of the CMBT can you get a wider operating temperature range? What is the ED trade-off if you do this? If you set the printers to print 2 micron electrodes and 15 micron dielectric layers, how do the resulting components behave? What happens when you pole those same devices with 5000V instead of 4000V? How long do you need to bake each layer of a half micron thick dielectric for the best results? How about 2 micron? If you attach component arrays to the bus bars with .5g of silver adhesive instead of .3g does it perform better or fail sooner? How does EESU behave if you increase the silver content in the adhesive by 15%, or decrease it by 10%? These questions are easily explored on a modest production line in a facility co-located with the development engineers (DW,CN,??). When DW knows the answers to these and many other questions he will be ready to build production lines 2 thru XXX.

Intel works this way, they have TD (Technology Development) facilities that develop pilot production lines for new technologies. Once the equipment, process and resulting device is mature in the TD facility it is replicated across several factories.

Thx Cobraphx for the input