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e'er wrote:

I think that Zenn could clone and hire Einstein, Edison and Tesla and there would still be people on here cracking on their qualifications.

for sure nobody would question their competence.
but they would be either delivering or be out since year two or three

OAKTHICKET wrote:

To be perfectly clear, good companies with good products have a better chance of attracting good people but there are a lot of failed companies and pseudoscience companies that have had good people.

Okay. Is it your position based on the hiring of qualified and competent people then we are dealing with just one of three possibilities:

1. A good company with a good product

or

2. pseudoscience company that has good people

or

3. A potential failure of a company with a good product.

broschultz wrote:

Do you think Jane would take the job without seeing an eesu?

Y_No wrote:

Okay. Is it your position based on the hiring of qualified and competent people then we are dealing with just one of three possibilities:

1. A good company with a good product

or

2. pseudoscience company that has good people

or

3. A potential failure of a company with a good product.

No, there are many permutations that can apply including the three you listed.

1 and 2 certainly can apply. 3 is also a possibility since you can have good people, a good product and a lousy market that is beyond your control.

We seem to be playing verbal gymnastics here. Is there a point to this?

evnow wrote:

I know a lot of people here just assume stuff - that statement has nothing to do with Jane. It has to do with the attitude you displayed in your answer to my comment.

So why did you need to point out that yes, you have those designations, except that yours come from top ten schools? The comparison exists, so I'd have to then ask what you were comparing your credentials to, if not Jane Huang's.

ps : Show me someone in senior leadership position in some well known automaker jumping to Zenn. That would mean something ...

If the hiring of somebody as obviously qualified and apparently competent as Jane Huang does not mean anything to you, then it's unlikely anything will.

Nino,
I have managed global-scale integration projects of this magnitude with fewer than 40 people. Zenn is not an R&D company they are an integrator. The R&D labs take loads of resources and big headcounts. Integration is putting the pieces together and ensuring safe operation. Zenn will take components from a variety of suppliers (EEStor, Polarity, and others) and integrate them. I think of Zenn like I think of Dell Computers whose R&D for many of the growth years stayed less than .8% of revenue. From my experience, Zenn could develop a limited lineup of products with 40 people whose primary function is to integrate work done by outside experts. Given their current cash flow constraints, I would not expect them to do it any other way.

It will be interesting to see if ZENN was willing to pay for talent or Jane just wanted a job. I wonder what stock options she was given. Looks to me that her bio would give her some leverage.

Last edited Wed, 03 Feb 2010, 11:13am by Stormn

It will be interesting to see if the topology of Zennergy incorporates all wheel regen braking. The system could use two wheel drive and switch to four wheel braking or any combination they choose. Two wheel regen braking is less efficient than 4 wheel but additional weight for an all wheel drive system is required. Interesting trade off for a mechanical and electrical engineer to tackle.

What do you see here?

What do you see here?

Oh my God, I see toast! I am selling all my stock right now.

Tec: run for the safety of your diesel exhaust pipe! It's TOAST!

Street cred of Zenn RISES?

Yeah, right!

Oakthicket wrote:

I've probably interviewed a thousand engineers from new graduates to the most seasoned professionals. Never once has a potential recruit asked me to prove that the business I represent has a marketable product. If anyone thinks that Jane Huang did that, they are dreaming.

I have worked in product engineering organizations developing products for 28 years.

We have never hired a developer, nor has there ever been an offer without full understanding of the job.

1) Typically 6-8 hours of interviews before a call back. Each key player gets an hour.

2) The job description and product, and project is discussed in detail. Time frames, tools, resources, current state, even history.

3) No offer has ever been extended without the developer knowing exactly what he will be expected to develop.

4) Once hired, all bets are off, LOL. You may never actually work on the project you were hired to do.

You have obviously never worked in ANY PRODUCT ENGINEERING group or you could not be so ignorant.

I see a great design that could easily incorporate all wheel regen braking.

whiskeythief wrote:

Your claims are absurd.

You have obviously never worked in ANY PRODUCT ENGINEERING group or you could not be so ignorant.

Thank you for the insults. Now please go away. (2)

Eenigma wrote:

I see a great design that could easily incorporate all wheel regen braking.

I see a good bit of marketing. You just proved that.

CpctT@0R wrote:

Eenigma wrote:

I see a great design that could easily incorporate all wheel regen braking.

I see a good bit of marketing. You just proved that.

CpctT@0R,

Seems you like Zenn's marketing. I certainly like the people on the marketing team.

I am not aware that Zenn's marketing team has publicly announced all wheel regen braking

Do you have the link?

Eenigma wrote:

CpctT@0R wrote:

Eenigma wrote:

I see a great design that could easily incorporate all wheel regen braking.

I see a good bit of marketing. You just proved that.

CpctT@0R,

Seems you like Zenn's marketing. I certainly like the people on the marketing team.

I am not aware that Zenn's marketing team has publicly announced all wheel regen braking

Do you have the link?

It's good marketing because you are speculating about a fancy looking drawing as if they have actually created something.

CpctT@0R wrote:

Eenigma wrote:

CpctT@0R wrote:

Eenigma wrote:

I see a great design that could easily incorporate all wheel regen braking.

I see a good bit of marketing. You just proved that.

CpctT@0R,

Seems you like Zenn's marketing. I certainly like the people on the marketing team.

I am not aware that Zenn's marketing team has publicly announced all wheel regen braking

Do you have the link?

No.

It's good marketing because you are speculating about a fancy looking drawing as if they have actually created something.

CpctT@0R,
Shotee started this topic and he named it "Zenn bolsters their drivetrain engineering"

Is this not the topic to discuss what Zennergy may look like?

The image clearly shows a drive shaft which would not be required for a front wheel only drive/regen braking as you know.

A Zennergy design incorporating all wheel regenerative braking and all wheel drive would be a very strong selling point.

I don't see an image on http://zennergy.com that shows a 2 wheel drive.

It seems you are speculating more than I am that Zennergy wont have all wheel regenerative braking.

Further I would argue that the image alone is just OK marketing. How many outside of this forum would look at that image and say........ha ha.....all wheel regenerative braking or even understand the benefit of that? Good marketing would have a feature, function benefit statement along with the image.

Zenn seems to be keeping Zennergy specifics close to the vest. Some speculate Zennergy is vaporware which seems virtually impossible since Zenn is adding drivetrain engineering types to their staff. I speculate they don't want potential competitors knowing the specifics at this point so the marketing people at Zenn can't attach an FFB to the image. Zennergy needs the EESU more than the EESU needs Zennergy.

Eenigma wrote:

The image clearly shows a drive shaft which would not be required for a front wheel only drive/regen braking as you know.

There is a fundamental misunderstanding here, one that I shared until fairly recently, and I smacked my forehead pretty hard when I figured it out.

Regenerative braking is done in an EV's motor, not in the braking system. I don't understand why the ZENNergy Drive illo appears to highlight disc brakes; that can't possibly be part of a ZENNergy Drive system. Perhaps whoever did that graphic is equally clueless.

Eenigma wrote:

CpctT@0R wrote:

Eenigma wrote:

CpctT@0R wrote:

Eenigma wrote:

I see a great design that could easily incorporate all wheel regen braking.

I see a good bit of marketing. You just proved that.

CpctT@0R,

Seems you like Zenn's marketing. I certainly like the people on the marketing team.

I am not aware that Zenn's marketing team has publicly announced all wheel regen braking

Do you have the link?

No.

It's good marketing because you are speculating about a fancy looking drawing as if they have actually created something.

CpctT@0R,
Shotee started this topic and he named it "Zenn bolsters their drivetrain engineering"

Is this not the topic to discuss what Zennergy may look like?

The image clearly shows a drive shaft which would not be required for a front wheel only drive/regen braking as you know.

A Zennergy design incorporating all wheel regenerative braking and all wheel drive would be a very strong selling point.

I don't see an image on http://zennergy.com that shows a 2 wheel drive.

It seems you are speculating more than I am that Zennergy wont have all wheel regenerative braking.

Further I would argue that the image alone is just OK marketing. How many outside of this forum would look at that image and say........ha ha.....all wheel regenerative braking or even understand the benefit of that? Good marketing would have a feature, function benefit statement along with the image.

Zenn seems to be keeping Zennergy specifics close to the vest. Some speculate Zennergy is vaporware which seems virtually impossible since Zenn is adding drivetrain engineering types to their staff. I speculate they don't want potential competitors knowing the specifics at this point so the marketing people at Zenn can't attach an FFB to the image. Zennergy needs the EESU more than the EESU needs Zennergy.

Lensman wrote:

Eenigma wrote:

The image clearly shows a drive shaft which would not be required for a front wheel only drive/regen braking as you know.

There is a fundamental misunderstanding here, one that I shared until fairly recently, and I smacked my forehead pretty hard when I figured it out.

Regenerative braking is done in an EV's motor, not in the braking system. I don't understand why the ZENNergy Drive illo appears to highlight disc brakes; that can't possibly be part of a ZENNergy Drive system. Perhaps whoever did that graphic is equally clueless.

Eenigma wrote:

It will be interesting to see if the topology of Zennergy incorporates all wheel regen braking. The system could use two wheel drive and switch to four wheel braking or any combination they choose. Two wheel regen braking is less efficient than 4 wheel but additional weight for an all wheel drive system is required. Interesting trade off for a mechanical and electrical engineer to tackle.

What do you see here?

Where did this image come from?

Eenigma wrote:

It will be interesting to see if the topology of Zennergy incorporates all wheel regen braking. The system could use two wheel drive and switch to four wheel braking or any combination they choose. Two wheel regen braking is less efficient than 4 wheel but additional weight for an all wheel drive system is required. Interesting trade off for a mechanical and electrical engineer to tackle.

What do you see here?

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Fibb222 wrote:

Eenigma wrote:

It will be interesting to see if the topology of Zennergy incorporates all wheel regen braking. The system could use two wheel drive and switch to four wheel braking or any combination they choose. Two wheel regen braking is less efficient than 4 wheel but additional weight for an all wheel drive system is required. Interesting trade off for a mechanical and electrical engineer to tackle.

What do you see here?

Where did this image come from?

http://www.zennergy.com/

Muftee

Lensman wrote:

Eenigma wrote:

The image clearly shows a drive shaft which would not be required for a front wheel only drive/regen braking as you know.

There is a fundamental misunderstanding here, one that I shared until fairly recently, and I smacked my forehead pretty hard when I figured it out.

Regenerative braking is done in an EV's motor, not in the braking system. I don't understand why the ZENNergy Drive illo appears to highlight disc brakes; that can't possibly be part of a ZENNergy Drive system. Perhaps whoever did that graphic is equally clueless.

All regen brake systems I am aware of are work in conjunction with mechanical/friction brakes. Why the friction brakes are highlighted I'm not sure.

All wheel regenerative braking would be a key a selling point.

Just look at the push back by some and you know it must be awesome. :)

Eenigma wrote:

All regen brake systems I am aware of are work in conjunction with mechanical/friction brakes.

Yep. I like Tesla's system. Letting up on the accelerator starts regen, but pressing on the brake starts friction braking. Would take a bit of getting used to, maybe 5 minutes. ;)

StephenB wrote:

Eenigma wrote:

All regen brake systems I am aware of are work in conjunction with mechanical/friction brakes.

Yep. I like Tesla's system. Letting up on the accelerator starts regen, but pressing on the brake starts friction braking. Would take a bit of getting used to, maybe 5 minutes. ;)

I like the Tesla design also. Interseing you should mention it would take a bit of getting use to. I wonder how much feed back you feel from regen braking on a "beefy" system like the Tesla.

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