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Andrea Rossi, who recently hosted a cold fusion demonstration, has been summarily dismissed by some due to accusations of fraud.

While I personally don't believe he has what he says he has I thought we give the guy a fair shake at least.

Topic is for the presentation of evidence to support the claims that Andrea Rossi has committed fraud and how these claims reflect on his current work.

Rules. Discussion or presentation of evidence of fraudulent activity only.

I have found 2 references to "fraudulent" activity from this posting:
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/01/15/rossi-discovery-what-to-say/

1. something related to avoiding taxes on gold imported from switzerland. I don't have details.

i.e. you can guy gold in SUI with out paying VAT and if then transported back to Italy and not declared that would be tax fraud. Recent stories on budget issues in Europe seem to suggest that avoiding taxes is something of a generally accepted practice.

2. An industrial waste back debacle back in the 80's. Google translated wiki article on waste thing here http://tinyurl.com/5s45d45

The translation is a bit sketchy so if someone else who know Italian can verify my summary.

Rossi invented a process for conversion of Garbage to Oil. A company was established to due so and they processed a lot of garbage. The byproduct solid waste left over had the same heavy metals/nasty chemicals as original waste but was now concentrated. Said byproducts were classified as secondary raw materials and disposed of without regard to their toxic nature. Company was closed down, filed for bankruptcy etc......

Unplugged wrote:

1. something related to avoiding taxes on gold imported from switzerland. I don't have details.

i.e. you can guy gold in SUI with out paying VAT and if then transported back to Italy and not declared that would be tax fraud. Recent stories on budget issues in Europe seem to suggest that avoiding taxes is something of a generally accepted practice.

I don't know the details, and the online sources of these accusations seem to be in Italian, for example an Italian Wikipedia article.

But it's said Rossi was jailed for tax fraud in relation to taking gold (and perhaps other rare metals) across the border. If true, if he was jailed for that, then it wasn't just a minor infraction.

But the *point* is that this guy is alleged to have a history of fraud. One thing I've learned in reading about famous cases of startups promoting technology swindles-- perpetual motion schemes and the like-- is that they are *usually* run by someone with a history of fraud.

As Sean said in a related thread:

...the fact that there has never, ever, in the history of the world been one of these so called "free energy" systems has ever panned out, while not be proof, it is a pretty good indicator.

Well said, Sean.

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At the bottom of the Wiki translation there are three links to articles about Rossi and the fraud charges.

I doubt that avoiding taxes and money laundering on 2 tonnes of gold is a 'generally accepted practice' in Europe. I'd say that given Rossi's conviction and incarceration, it's 'generally frowned upon'. (:->)

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I found this link.
http://tinyurl.com/6927dut
Which appears to be a page written by Andrea Rossi that presents his side of the allegations of fraud against him.

Warning. Reading poor translation may induce headache.

The precious metal issue stems from the Waste Disposal company selling gold reclaimed from the waste stream.

On one hand he claims to have spent 4 years in prison. But then he also states that the charges regarding the selling of gold were dismissed. Claims prosecutor was somehow connected or motivated by a large jewelry concern who was being undercut by reclaimed gold sales.

The convicted man says the following;

"I'm innocent I tell you. It was the prosecutor. I was set up."

Lol

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Oakthicket wrote:

The convicted man says the following;

"I'm innocent I tell you. It was the prosecutor. I was set up."

Lol

Lots of innocent people go to jail.

http://www.truthinjustice.org/exoneration-study...

Lots of guilty people go free. Just ask Nicole Brown Simpson's family.

I'm not sure the Andrea Rossi involved in the Petrol Dragon and gold trading affairs is the same one of the cold fusion.
Compare the picture of the Petrol Dragon's Andrea Rossi:
http://archiviofoto.unita.it/index.php?f2=recor...
With the Andrea Rossi of cold fusion (if I'm not wrong it is the second person appearing in the videoclip, red pull):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-0WvK2b7dU

Andrea Rossi is a very common name in Italy (something equivalent to "John Smith" in US).

Basic wrote:

Andrea Rossi is a very common name in Italy (something equivalent to "John Smith" in US).

Exactly. I personally have met one five years ago which used to live in the Bologna area.

I've searched the white papers of Italy. 389 Andrea Rossi in the white papers. There will be certainly more. 3 can be found in Bologna.

http://www.paginebianche.it/execute.cgi?ts=103&...

Regards

Last edited Mon, 17 Jan 2011, 1:54pm by Gaga

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From this link. http://tinyurl.com/6927dut , check out the bios link. This traces the same Andrea Rossi from Petrol Dragon to LTI.

", While maintaining professional relations with the United States, and started working with LTI (Leonardo Technology Incorporated), a company that provides technology and equipment to the DOE (Department of Energy) and the DOD (Department of Defence) in the production of energy from renewable sources.
In 2009 Rossi permanently in the U.S., to direct the development of a new energy source, patented by Rossi, for which the U.S. has been called the status of priority. "

This paper, http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/files..., lists LTI as one of the sites that has tested his device.

After comparing the photos Of Petrodragon A.R. and fusion A.R., I have to say that they are 2 different people, unless fusion A.R. had a chin implant. I could be wrong, but it appears that there is a difference in the chin structure.

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Basic wrote:

I'm not sure the Andrea Rossi involved in the Petrol Dragon and gold trading affairs is the same one of the cold fusion.
Compare the picture of the Petrol Dragon's Andrea Rossi:
http://archiviofoto.unita.it/index.php?f2=recor...
With the Andrea Rossi of cold fusion (if I'm not wrong it is the second person appearing in the videoclip, red pull):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-0WvK2b7dU


Andrea Rossi is a very common name in Italy (something equivalent to "John Smith" in US).

Ah, but you are wrong. In the cold fusion video clips, Andrea Rossi is the one who looks like the Andrea Rossi from PetrolDragon :)

He's the guy being interviewed at the very start of this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/user/efagroup2010#p/a/u/1/u-Ru1eAymvE

Last edited Mon, 17 Jan 2011, 2:47pm by matt

1 last piece of Evidence linking them to one and the same person. The owner of the ingandrearossi.com, which outlines the history of Andrea Rossi and Petrol Dragon is listed as Andrea Rossi and the address is 1 block from the address of EON where a Cold Fusion demonstration plant is supposed to have been installed.

and the tel# listed is the same as EON.

Last edited Mon, 17 Jan 2011, 3:15pm by Unplugged

matt wrote:

Basic wrote:

I'm not sure the Andrea Rossi involved in the Petrol Dragon and gold trading affairs is the same one of the cold fusion.
Compare the picture of the Petrol Dragon's Andrea Rossi:
http://archiviofoto.unita.it/index.php?f2=recor...
With the Andrea Rossi of cold fusion (if I'm not wrong it is the second person appearing in the videoclip, red pull):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-0WvK2b7dU


Andrea Rossi is a very common name in Italy (something equivalent to "John Smith" in US).

Ah, but you are wrong. In the cold fusion video clips, Andrea Rossi is the one who looks like the Andrea Rossi from PetrolDragon :)

He's the guy being interviewed at the very start of this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/user/efagroup2010#p/a/u/1/u-Ru1eAymvE

That one is Focardi. Or not ? You are right the guy may be the same by comparing the pictures.
Actually nobody calls him by name, thus I'm not 100% sure. I will review the available clips more carefully.
EDIT: After looking at the clips and trying to get the names of the speakers, I am pretty sure now that Andrea Rossi is actually the one speaking in the very beginning of the clip pointed to by Matt.
The picture of Andrea Rossi at the time of the PetrolDragon scandal (it was mid 90) is inequivocably showing the same Andrea Rossi, so I was wrong (even thought it is true that Andrea Rossi is a very common name).

Last edited Tue, 18 Jan 2011, 2:39am by Basic

Mama mia! that's a bullshitto.

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It's rather funny. With a name like Bologna, all i can think of is:

"This is just phony bologna!"

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See the appallingly bad Google translation (or more precisely, transliteration) of an Italian article about Rossi's crimes or alleged crimes, below. The article seems to claim that Rossi has been indicted or convicted for money laundering, false billing, tax fraud, and large-scale illegal dumping of hazardous waste.

Multiply the troubles of ’entrepreneur past the traffic of waste that precious metal

Handcuffs bis Andrea Rossi

The Attorney Ariano Irpino accuses' inventor of the effluent oil "money laundering. sought the carrier of the band that would have moved armored car over 2 tons of 'gold

---PUBLISHED--- There are growing troubles of 'entrepreneur past the traffic of waste that precious metal TITLE: Way for a Rossi Andrea Ariano Irpino The Attorney accuses' inventor of the effluent oil "money laundering Wanted the carrier of the band that would have moved armored car more than 2 tons of 'gold ---MONZA. If so far believed to be in trouble and is' wrong. Andrea Rossi, who invented the procedure chatted to turn oil into the garbage and industrial waste, and 'much' in simple trouble. Of all the "tiles" that have rained down on him so far, the most 'heavy' arrived yesterday from Attorney Ariano Irpinia, in the province of Avellino. The investigating judge Vincenzo Caputo issued at the request of Deputy Rosario Baglioni, an 'order of arrest against him for conspiracy to money laundering of illicit origin and tax evasion.
The alleged criminal organization would be formed only by the 'creator of "liquid waste oil" and a person has disappeared for now, even by Michele Pizzato, Italian resident in Switzerland, a man trusted by Andrea Rossi, and in recent times, his mate "misfortune". A misfortune started a couple of weeks ago with the findings of an investigation conducted by Attorney Salvatore Bellomo Monza. At the end of its investigations, the prosecutor had asked for and received Monza 's arrest is that of Rossi's Pizza for the conspiracy to tax fraud and false billing. L 'charges related to the fictitious documentation that the two would have to certify the completed sale el' export of tens of kilos of 'gold, goods which Rossi has been working for almost two years as owner of' gold 'St. Andre' in Milan (companies 'working' s gold Luogosano in the province of Avellino). The two were therefore 'ended up in jail, hoping that the castle collapsed after allegations of interrogation. Error. Because 'the facts alleged by the prosecutor were confirmed in Monza' investigation of Ariano Irpino colleague, who for over a year was following much the same vein of 'investigation and that now, in his hypothesis of' charge, goes up to ' association aimed at money laundering. In a press release issued yesterday by the command group of the Guardia di Finanza di Avellino is spoken in detail of the new order of custody served in prison Rossi and pizza. It would, com 'was already' known by 'Monza investigation, that 46 billion bullion' Gold (2323 pounds well) would have passed the Italian border only on paper and, further, that the 'association to which he would head Rossi evaded taxes for 120 billion, with exports of false high-tech devices. The third wanted man and 'the carrier of the bullion, a character used to move up armored car. The transfer of funds to tax havens like Liechtenstein, the financiers argue that 'the articulation of' organization 'was such as to guess that' s goal was also the laundering of dirty money. --- PUBLISHED --- TITLE: This new indictment by Milan illegal disposal of toxic substances --- MILAN. Oil from the toxic waste? Maccio ', the 58 thousand tons of industrial sewage accumulated in the tanks of oil tankers Dragon' ex-refinery Omar Lacchiarella were and remain a cocktail of poisons absolutely can not be recycled. Andrea Rossi, the legal representative of the 'company and the liquidator Alessandro Reale have been indicted by the District Attorney of Milan for storage and illegal disposal of toxic waste. The Region has already 'decided to bring a civil, even to get the 50 needed 60 billion to clean up. 'S investigation was initiated on December 14' 93 after the seizure by the State Forestry Corps, a 'coming from the storage tank of Petrol Dragon Piossasco (Torino), found to download in the tanks of 10 tons of slurry with Lacchiarella very high percentages of PCB (polychlorinated biphenyl), a toxic substance and suspected carcinogen.

Giuseppe Fasano

Last edited Sat, 30 Apr 2011, 2:39am by Lensman

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Andrea Rossi, who invented the procedure chatted to turn oil into the garbage and industrial waste

Wow, great invention.

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whoop de do, He invents cold fusion, he gets pardon and a gold star.

He went to trial on over 50 trumped up charges, acquitted on all but 5 counts. only stickers were "minor" charges like tax evasion and waste disposal.

This is classic "frivolous" prosecution. I wonder if they knew he was hiding cold fusion?

Last edited Sat, 30 Apr 2011, 3:30am by seslaprime