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Sat, 29 Jan 2011, 1:35pm #31
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Thanks for the shot of confidence and patience Fibb (and the SD boys). I needed that!

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Sat, 29 Jan 2011, 2:20pm #32
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Thanks Fibb...does that mean I can stop snoring soon?

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Sat, 29 Jan 2011, 3:14pm #33
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EESnore wrote:

Thanks Fibb...does that mean I can stop snoring soon?

In other words, can dreams become reality soon?!?


hope [hohp]
1. A wish or desire accompanied by confident expectation of its fulfillment.
2. Something that is hoped for or desired
3. One that is a source of or reason for hope

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Sat, 29 Jan 2011, 3:33pm #34
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Nice to see one of the squawking baby birds get fed a worm once in a while even if it wasn't me.....

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Sat, 29 Jan 2011, 5:15pm #35
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What I learned wasn't about EEStor directly. It was what I learned about PN. And I found it encouraging.

I can't tell anyone what to do, so don't look for any advice from me. There are no guarantees that ZNN will be a good investment. All I can say is I'm hopeful and confident that EEStor has something and we'll know something concrete about what they have - this year. Perhaps before summer.

I know this is something you've all heard before.


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Sat, 29 Jan 2011, 6:15pm #36
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Eenigma wrote:

The cadre meeting was an absolute blast and lasted in total 7 hours. After b departed we had a post Cadre wrap up. 4 of us got in my American made Chevy Big Block and the boys forced me to blast my American horn (didn't take much coaxing) and we all enjoyed the echo amplification off the downtown buildings.
The Cadre (which are most of you less the Jack Wagons) are very ordinary people and deserve the same respect you would give to friends, sons, uncles, dads, golf buddies, co workers etc. They have keen observation skills and know the story inside and out so no question went unasked. b works his tail off for himself and for his forum. He has my respect in all areas and I'm sure you can appreciate the need for us to respect b's wishes (although 2 of us abused b's iphone battery ... hee hee).


The meeting was informative, entertaining and fun was had by all. No one left the meeting disappointed or thirsty. Well since I had to drive back to the burbs perhaps I was little thirsty but not overly so....... :)

Well said. Thank you. :)


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http://theeestory.com/posts/47263 TY B,TV,Nekote. http://theeestory.com/topics/1949

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Sat, 29 Jan 2011, 6:39pm #37
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Don't be too quick or harsh on ee-tom.

If his "side" has a convivial night out, I suspect there are some here, on the "other" side, who might write something similar.

You don't want to be hoisted by your jack wagon petard, do you?


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Sat, 29 Jan 2011, 7:07pm #38
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nekote wrote:

Don't be too quick or harsh on ee-tom.

If his "side" has a convivial night out, I suspect there are some here, on the "other" side, who might write something similar.

You don't want to be hoisted by your jack wagon petard, do you?

LOL
I doubt eeTom would be caught dead with the likes of CCCCCCCCCC, OOOOOOOOOO, SSSSSSSSSSSSSS, or TTTTTTT. In fact, I doubt he would even meet with jackwagons like EEEEEE, YYY or ZZZZ. OK, maybe he might meet with himself, but doubt it. I guess we could ask him?


EEStor’s legitimacy is a job for Carl Sagan and Sherlock Holmes. Times are a changing.
http://theeestory.com/posts/47263 TY B,TV,Nekote. http://theeestory.com/topics/1949

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Sat, 29 Jan 2011, 7:18pm #39
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I will have a drink with tom anytime he is in Denver!

Can't have a bad time with me as long as you drink as much as I do!

30 proof blood guarantees a good time!


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Sat, 29 Jan 2011, 7:37pm #40
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Next time the San Diego Cadres are playing, I want to be there too.

Muftee


Liberal arts graduate degree. No business training but own my own business. Go figure.

http://theeestory.com/topics/4722?page=1#p100234

I don't know jack about electronics and chemistry. That's not my role here.

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Sat, 29 Jan 2011, 8:11pm #41
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Just a note to those of those on both sides of the isle that think meetings like this along with other personal communications somehow signify a cabal or that you are being shortchanged some inside information: It is precisely this kind of activity that can let you get to know these people. If you pay attention to their posts individually then know that they are sharing information and pay attention to who they are you can learn that this is really a bunch of people trying to know the truth about something very important.

This blog is unique due to the quality of the people involved. Observation gains you much more knowledge than criticism or whining. IMO.

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Sat, 29 Jan 2011, 9:13pm #42
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ee-tom wrote:

In hard times, the party found itself losing adherents and it was time to change the ideology. Rather than move to the centre ground, and win back the disillusioned masses, the party activists did what they knew how to do best. They tightened both party discipline, and party ideology. The result was a small (minute by previous standards) but battle-hardened and effective inner cadre capable of sustaining the historic, but increasingly myopic, party vision through the hard times ahead.

Eetom here is a lesson in joke writing. You take the above statement and then add a punch line which is some how twisted.

In hard times, the party found itself losing adherents and it was time to change the ideology. Rather than move to the centre ground, and win back the disillusioned masses, the party activists did what they knew how to do best. They tightened both party discipline, and party ideology. The result was a small (minute by previous standards) but battle-hardened and effective inner cadre capable of sustaining the historic, but increasingly myopic, party vision through the hard times ahead but they still had their secret - girlscout thin mints make amazing capacitors.

I would enjoy a beverage share with anyone in this community that ventures to Polarity (northern California).


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Sat, 29 Jan 2011, 10:36pm #43
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hbert wrote:

Just a note to those of those on both sides of the isle...

But what about those of us on the continent? http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g194/Lensman03/Smileys/SmileySmlVBGrin.gif

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ee-tom wrote:

Many parallels can & have been made between this phenomena and organised religious cults, but in truth the party was never religious, and stayed true to its founding ideals.

Gosh, apparently the owl fell from its pedestal and dashed its head against the base, addling its brains.

I feel like I'm back in junior high school, with some people (not just the addlepated owl) whinging that they are not part of the "in" group. If it really bothers you that much, then form your own little clique. Or don't. But either way, you're really being childish by displaying jealousy over some people getting together and having a wonderful time.

P.S.-- Tom, nobody likes a wet blanket. Even if it's covered with feathers.


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Sat, 29 Jan 2011, 11:55pm #44
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Muftee wrote:

Next time the San Diego Cadres are playing, I want to be there too.

Muftee

We don't need them Muftee. We can grab DRP, ONeil and EESnore and have our own Muahahahaha-fest up here.


The time has come to demonstrate that ZENN is on the right path Romney/Ryan 2012

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Sun, 30 Jan 2011, 1:03am #45
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hbert wrote:

Just a note to those of those on both sides of the isle that think meetings like this along with other personal communications somehow signify a cabal or that you are being shortchanged some inside information: It is precisely this kind of activity that can let you get to know these people. If you pay attention to their posts individually then know that they are sharing information and pay attention to who they are you can learn that this is really a bunch of people trying to know the truth about something very important.


This blog is unique due to the quality of the people involved. Observation gains you much more knowledge than criticism or whining. IMO.

Well said, tea leaves abound here at the EEStory


"Most people don't believe something can happen until it already has." Max Brooks, World War Z.

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Sun, 30 Jan 2011, 1:08am #46
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hbert wrote:

Just a note to those of those on both sides of the isle that think meetings like this along with other personal communications somehow signify a cabal or that you are being shortchanged some inside information: It is precisely this kind of activity that can let you get to know these people. If you pay attention to their posts individually then know that they are sharing information and pay attention to who they are you can learn that this is really a bunch of people trying to know the truth about something very important.

This blog is unique due to the quality of the people involved. Observation gains you much more knowledge than criticism or whining. IMO.

:)

Last edited Sun, 30 Jan 2011, 1:21am by wasmaba


EEStor’s legitimacy is a job for Carl Sagan and Sherlock Holmes. Times are a changing.
http://theeestory.com/posts/47263 TY B,TV,Nekote. http://theeestory.com/topics/1949

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Tue, 01 Feb 2011, 1:26pm #47
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eeOrange wrote:

Good grief, why hasn't anyone created this topic yet!?! Please include full paragraphs of lies and innuendo and truth. At this point, I will take anything!!!!!

OK,

PN never owned stock until this week. He has been quietly buying MFZNN since the Cadre meeting.

PN wished to keep that information quiet in order to save some money on the buy side. While I don't share his sentiment that anything the Cadre does affects share price I did respect his wishes.

Bottom line is no one in attendance sold. There are no guarantees on Zenn's success but you can take heart in that actions speak louder than words.

Obviously PN saw no reason not to buy.

PN IS IN

Now button up your chin strap and hold on tight PN.


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Tue, 01 Feb 2011, 3:25pm #48
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Eenigma

I enjoy a little time at the Dollar Slots in Vegas.

This gamble has a better chance than time spent at the slots!

I am still a 3. Whiskeythief did the odds. This needs a payout of 4 to 1 to make sense. The payout is at least 10 to 1 on reveal.

Of course, if past performance is representative of future financial returns everyone ought to go short! Cause my track record as an investor is pretty bad!


All I want for Christmas is a Graphene / Ionic Liquid Electrical Generator.

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Tue, 01 Feb 2011, 3:35pm #49
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This is a good time to remind everyone I don't provide financial or investment advice or recommend buying zenn or any stock, etc. Instead, I invite you to be thoroughly skeptical and seek professional advice.

This website presents both points of views. If that is useful to you, great. If it's not, that's fine too. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. It is rational to believe. It is rational to disbelieve. Some who participate here are irrational. I am occasionally irrational. You probably are too.

I'm frustrated like everyone with where I believe EEStor is now. I'm not happy with some of Zenn's decisions. It isn't perfect and it could all go down the toilet and join up with Tec et al. But my beliefs are based on the fundamental foundation that their technology works as they say. Even that doesn't guarantee success for Zenn or EEStor as Ive said many times...

Now everyone just sit quietly and wait with the rest of us.


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Tue, 01 Feb 2011, 3:39pm #50
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On the science front, I do have a complete, self-consistent theory of the EESU that uses physics now found in textbooks. True, the textbook was published just last year but....

The most interesting part of the theory is the first reported experiment showing the key phenomena (not all the parts but the key part) required to build an EESU was performed by one James Clerk Maxwell in 1883. When he saw the effect he realized that his own theory was incorrect and incomplete because the effect was impossible using his, Maxwell's laws.

No wonder a Maxwellian analysis says a EESU can't work. Maxwell knew that in 1883. And he knew the analysis is wrong!

I wonder what the forthcoming wall of text will say!


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Tue, 01 Feb 2011, 3:47pm #51
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Along the lines of b's post above, I make no representation that my theory works. It is a theory unsupported by any focused experimentation. It could be and probably is totally wrong.

That is the nature of theory. Make a prediction. Run an experiment to test it. I am planning my experimental path to prove my theory. I will report success or failure. It will be many months before I can assembly all the equipment and expertise to test it. Heck, I will probably be slower than EEStor.

Anyone placing any faith in my claim to having a theory is foolish. It requires much due diligence to know if my claims have any weight.

Please - believe what my own brokerage told me this morning when I placed the buy order. This stock is not investment grade. It is a speculative risky investment.


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Tue, 01 Feb 2011, 3:59pm #52
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And the Maxwell experiment had nothing whatsoever to do with energy storage.

So lets all not get carried away here.

Kinda like saying I know how magnets work so I can build a disc drive. doh! 8-)

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Tue, 01 Feb 2011, 4:11pm #53
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pm - never let the facts get in the way of a good story. You will never get the newspaper to hire you that way.


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Tue, 01 Feb 2011, 4:19pm #54
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PNeilson 3 wrote:

Along the lines of b's post above, I make no representation that my theory works. It is a theory unsupported by any focused experimentation. It could be and probably is totally wrong.

That is the nature of theory. Make a prediction. Run an experiment to test it. I am planning my experimental path to prove my theory. I will report success or failure. It will be many months before I can assembly all the equipment and expertise to test it. Heck, I will probably be slower than EEStor.

Anyone placing any faith in my claim to having a theory is foolish. It requires much due diligence to know if my claims have any weight.

Please - believe what my own brokerage told me this morning when I placed the buy order. This stock is not investment grade. It is a speculative risky investment.

Not the only way to test theory. Normally you publish it or subject it to review from others who find the holes, which you patch up if you can etc.

Experiment is good too but you do it with one hand tied behind back unless you do the best you can with theory as well. Rather like the CF people...


Assumptions: 1) E=1/2CV2

(Only dummies assume this)

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PNeilson 3 wrote:

On the science front, I do have a complete, self-consistent theory of the EESU that uses physics now found in textbooks. True, the textbook was published just last year but....

The most interesting part of the theory is the first reported experiment showing the key phenomena (not all the parts but the key part) required to build an EESU was performed by one James Clerk Maxwell in 1883. When he saw the effect he realized that his own theory was incorrect and incomplete because the effect was impossible using his, Maxwell's laws.

No wonder a Maxwellian analysis says a EESU can't work. Maxwell knew that in 1883. And he knew the analysis is wrong!

I wonder what the forthcoming wall of text will say!
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10X EESU or Bust

Bust.


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Tue, 01 Feb 2011, 4:23pm #56
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Tom

Admirably short and concise!


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eestorblog wrote:

It isn't perfect and it could all go down the toilet and join up with Tec et al.

down the toilet and join Tec et al..........AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH


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PNeilson 3 wrote:


The most interesting part of the theory is the first reported experiment showing the key phenomena (not all the parts but the key part) required to build an EESU was performed by one James Clerk Maxwell in 1883. When he saw the effect he realized that his own theory was incorrect and incomplete because the effect was impossible using his, Maxwell's laws.

No wonder a Maxwellian analysis says a EESU can't work. Maxwell knew that in 1883. And he knew the analysis is wrong!

I wonder what the forthcoming wall of text will say!

The wall of text will say: Maxwell died in 1879.

Regards


Just Gaga - no Lady....

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Tue, 01 Feb 2011, 4:29pm #59
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Ooops miss-remembered the text. I checked and stand corrected. The experiment was in 1873!


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For those who want the Clerk Maxwell stuff decoded - since I spent 4 years in a room at Cambridge which he occupied:

1873 - he worked out theory of electromagnetism (Maxwell's equations)

1875 - he worked out that atoms must have internal structure.

The two contradict because his e-m theory (being classical) would mean that electrons orbiting an atom would radiate energy and therefore matter would be unstable.

The quantum solution is that electrons around nucleus have quantised allowed states, with a minimum energy state. So no radiation is possible from this state. Equally - fermions (electrons) have antisymmetric wave functions hence unique state occupancy, all of which leads to atoms as we know them....

As PM correctly concludes, this does not in any way invalidate application of Gauss to quantum sustems. uits the reverse. However he incorrectly says that QM is nothing to do with energy, quentum energy states are everything to do with energy, and therefore potentially (sorry for pun) ED.

Finally, PM & PN reckon that possibility of high ED by promoting electrons to higher bound energy levels is secret sauce. It sort of could be, except that it is only one piece in an interlocking jigsaw puzzle. The other pieces being Gauss, and Carnot. The energy level piece can be fitted into a high ED picture easily, the others cannot together.

From casual remarks, I reckon PM & know PN have not put the complete jigsaw together... But don't expect they will want to argue the case: much more fun to drop hints than make clear statements.

For some reason I keep thinking of Italy.


Assumptions: 1) E=1/2CV2

(Only dummies assume this)

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