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Interview with Prof Hagelstein of MIT wrote: Translated version of intervista Melis-Hagelstein.pdf
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Maurizio Melis - Smart City - Radio 24 episodes of 22 and 23 February 2012 Interview with Peter Hagelstein cold fusion MM is the news that is not news. Very few media say, But rumors are circulating about a year, held demonstrations public more or less convincing, emerging research in full rule, conducted for years in silence on scientific bodies not exactly unknown, such as NASA. We speak of the merger cold, the Holy Grail of Energy, some scientists also equally mythical, for other decidedly more at hand. This time the news comes from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, its research center in Boston, famous throughout the World, with just over 20 years ago gave the coup de grace to cold fusion, declaring that he had tried in every way to replicate, but without success. The then Chief Officer, recently said Some of the results obtained at that time, however, disappeared. The difficulty here is not recall that the MIT was just then the temple of hot fusion research. The voice that comes out today from MIT is instead to Peter Hagelstein, associate professor of MIT to Radio 24 has told a different story. Feel. PH The experiment was developed by Mitchell Swartz, one Cold fusion researcher who owns a company that Jet Energy calls. The demonstration was held in the laboratories of MIT and, from my point of view, the experiment is revolutionary. It we do know is that the device, called NANOR, is based on a nano-material, a nano-powder and palladium oxide zirconium and maybe even something else, which is loaded with deuterium, or heavy hydrogen. For the rest, I can say is that if equipment is brought to MIT Swartz was sealed, because it is still a proprietary technology and was equipped with two electrical wires. Also had an internal sensor for measuring the temperature. At Swartz has shown that the temperature could reach a simple electrical resistance. Then he put the device into operation and increased temperature was over 10 times higher than that obtained only with the resistance. MM The demonstration in the laboratories of MIT took place at the turn of January and February. The apparatus was operated for 23 days and second Hagelstein in this period is remained switched on more or less 40% of the time. The professor also stated that, quote literally, "the energy produced by the device exceeded the chemical scale in less than an hour. " What does that mean? That, after less than an hour from power, the energy produced from the apparatus was higher than that which would have been able to produce a any apparatus of the same size, fed by a source of chemical energy, including the most powerful. Hagelstein has also ruled that there may be a fraud behind the device. PH Mitchell Swartz is in this field of study for over 20 years. He has written and published 1
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numerous articles on cold fusion and other demonstrations held here in the past, the MIT. I do not think there is no fraud, I believe indeed that the experiment was conducted quite well. MM Well, we can not say that there has been a particularly strong active surveillance, by the staff of MIT during this demonstration, however, is Hagelstein convinced that we are faced with a device that produces energy with a gain of 10 to from nuclear reactions at low energy, cold fusion, or, if you prefer. But we are faced with a commercial device? PH Mitchell is certainly the goal of this. I know who is currently seeking funds to investors and venture capital. However I think there are some aspects problematic, at the time. First, for practical application, it is necessary that the device can operate at higher temperatures than those reached in the course experiment, and although I expect that at higher temperatures the system functions rather, need to be sure to experiment. Moreover, the device demonstration has a very low power, only 1/10 of a watt. But also the amount of nano- powder that was used is minimal. On the other hand, having to do with power so small, makes it easier to conduct experiments and then we think that the Being able to achieve small devices is an advantage, not a disadvantage. While MM was performed the experiment at MIT was also taking a course. A course a week, for students, on the theory behind this phenomenon. Theory Hagelstein, which has developed over 20 years of work. The most frequent objection, in fact, especially by the proponents of hot fusion, is that under present conditions inside the apparatus, nuclear fusion is impossible. Tens or hundreds of degrees against the tens or hundreds of millions of degrees needed for the hot fusion, one that occurs in the nucleus of the stars and you're trying to play for years with experiments Billionaires like ITER. In these conditions of extremely high temperature, In short, the hydrogen nuclei, which are started at breakneck speed, they can clash between them, although they repel each other. And here is the fusion. How possible that the same phenomenon occurs at temperatures a million times lower? Here is how it responds Hagelstein. PH, I wish to clarify that I agree with the physicists who claim that the merger nuclear power, nuclear fusion or rather incoherent, as that which occurs within the stars, it is impossible to room temperature. For I consider that the physical process to basis of cold fusion is completely different from what happens in the fusion hot. What happens in the theoretical model, I have developed over the years is that you put in a mechanism that allows motion to divide the great many of energy, necessary to trigger nuclear fusion, in many many children. Something similar happens in some experiments with the laser, in which is seen as some particular crystals are capable of absorbing two pulses of red light, transforming them into a single pulse of light Green. But this is only the simplest case. There have been experiments in which dozens, even thousands of laser pulses are summed into a single impulse more powerful. Well, if instead of "many thousands" we speak of "many millions", here we have a mechanism to explain how cold fusion works. 2
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MM Well, lots of heavy hydrogen atoms, trapped in the crystal lattice of a metal such as Palladio, were moving as a whole, fail to activate nuclear fusion, as a crowd can easily break through the gates of a stadium, while a single person could never do it. It's a little 'this is the basic idea and an idea based on a theory first proposed by Giuliano Preparata, in 90s, one of the most brilliant physicists of the war, then disappeared. For the moment however we are we stop here, tomorrow the second part of the interview with Hagelstein. *** MM This evening we will hear the second part of the interview with Peter Hagelstein, a physicist Theoretically, an associate professor at MIT, one of the best known research centers in the world. In Yesterday's episode, Hagelstein, a scientist with several successes in his career, he told us of demonstration conducted at MIT with NANOR, a little device - brace yourselves - a Cold fusion, Jet Energy produced by a small company in turn is connected with the same MIT and directed by Mitchell Swartz, in turn, student of cold fusion. Second Hagelstein apparatus, during the demonstration, held in the laboratories of MIT and duration of 23 days, has produced 10 times more energy than is consumed, so that the scientist has called the experiment "revolutionary". Hagelstein, on the other hand, knows the subject well: among its various research activities for 20 years has committed to make develop a theoretical model that can explain cold fusion, and as we saw yesterday, also believed to be a good point. That's why today's interview, we asked his opinion about the possibility of reaching more or less rapidly to applications industrial and even what you think of the story of Focardi and Rossi, 24 of them here on Radio we dealt with thoroughly and that, since early last year, have held public demonstrations - in short, never quite convincing - with a apparatus, the E-cat, that would produce energy on the basis of a nuclear reaction, this time between nickel and hydrogen. And then we hear what you think Professor Hagelstein. PH in the literature of the first experiments with the system nickel and hydrogen were carried out in the 90s by the group Piantelli Francis, Sergio Focardi of which was one of the members peak. Their publications were very interesting and taught him much about phenomenon. From reading their publications I have drawn the belief that we are talking about a phenomenon very similar to that of the reactions palladium and hydrogen, the whole suggests how the experiment responds to stimuli, so the phenomenon systematically. I personally believe that high levels of energy gain has been achieved at the time since Piantelli group. As for Rossi, we speak of a technology that would have an enormous economic value, but at the same time very difficult be patented. The result is that Rossi and colleagues have never given accurate information of what is contained in the apparatus, or we have reliable reports of demonstrations conducted. In short, we do not have good documentation technique, indeed, in practice we do not have anything that would be required to make a evaluation. MM But she has that opinion? I believe that the PH Rossi apparatus is basically a derivative of the 3
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Francis Piantelli. If this is true, we know quite well what it is and my physical models, which I developed for the Palladium-Hydrogen, seem to play well what is observed in nickel-hydrogen systems. In my point of view, in experiments with deuterium and the Palladium, are the deuterium atoms to react and by melting, to form helium. While in the experiments with the nickel to react are atoms of Hydrogen and deuterium, which combine to form Helium3. The difference between the two processes Physical is that, in the case of nickel, it is involved in the reaction, eventually disintegrate. The result is that the nickel is consumed, while this does not happen with the Palladio, but I also think that you can control the reaction so that it does not happen and that the nickel is conserved, resulting in a cleaner reaction and efficient. MM Well, do you think that we are moving into a season where we finally establish that cold fusion, meanwhile, is a real phenomenon, and then you can finally use on an industrial scale to produce energy? PH I am convinced, for many years, that the phenomenon under discussion is of extreme importance and that, very realistically, will usher in a new and important technology for produce energy. My hope is that with the spread of these early experiments, will clear, this year, we are faced with a frontier of great interest to us all. I am personally very optimistic from what I know, the group also has Piantelli find funding to develop a commercial apparatus. I believe that in Overall, we are experiencing a very exciting moment in history. The MM thinks it will take to see the practical applications of cold fusion? In short, we are talking about months, years or decades? PH There are many groups around the world who claim to have developed enough to technology for the first industrial applications. Of course, it is necessary that these devices are Compare this with all aspects of security, like any other appliance commercial. We must do all the tests necessary to ensure that no radiation dangerous, the small supply of hydrogen can not catch fire and explode. In short, it is to regulate these new devices and ensure that they respect all rules. This may take some 'time, but I see no reason why, during next year, should not be available on the market the first models of cold fusion devices. Of course we speak only of the first generation, but I think that we will live to see the first units installed in the normal dwellings, which will produce heat and electricity, with huge benefits for us all. I am very optimistic. MM Well, in short, optimism aside, what is certain is that the story of the MIT is only the last of several signals, came out in the last year, that something is really moving on this front. Beyond even rumors of fusion devices cold already being manufactured in China and the United States. Items that are not really easily verifiable. We still here, "Smart City" will continue to keep you date on this subject so interesting and so neglected by most average. 4
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