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Tue, 21 Feb 2012, 1:33pm #3721
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jnissen wrote:

Sounds like Dick Smith is a figment of someone's imagination or a made up person to try and uncover more details. Yeah I thought this guy had balls for offering $1M but now I can see that he is a fraud as well! Either that or someone who was acting as Mr. Smith is trying to discredit the whole show... Rather confusing. What is clear is Rossi's comments about devices possibly being ready in 18 months and his claim that Home Depot would be selling these by the end of 2012 are not in line. The Home Depot thing was laughable on it's own but now he is starting to forget the earlier lies.

I'm still clearly in the "Rossi is a Fraud" camp and nothing he has done recently has improved that image. The folks at Defka-lion are a bit more professional but these guys are just newer to the show. They still have not provided any real mechanical drawings or real engineering proof to anything they have claimed. A power point is not a technical drawing or specification! The only value add is they have a demo that looks more professional than Rossi. Anything stated above that is fluff and not proven if not third party validated and published.

He's definitely not a figment of someone's imagination.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Smith_%28entr...

One can only imagine what his motives are.

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It appears Dick pulled out


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Wed, 22 Feb 2012, 7:53am #3723
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Rossi's explaination of the NI relationship holds water.

According to NI's public relations people

ecatsite wrote:

While Ms. Betts reiterated once again that Leonardo Corp was not currently a customer of National Instruments, there have been ongoing discussions between the two parties. Discussion is the key word here. Many, including myself, have taken this to mean there have been merely some preliminary discussions regarding a business relationship between the two parties. After my conversation with Ms. Betts, it would seem that the word “discussion” as used in this context has a meaning with somewhat more depth, with that meaning being ongoing technical collaboration between the parties. This collaboration has been at the level that Rossi has frequently alluded to in his comments on JONP and, specifically to comments he made earlier this week. Over the past several months he has frequently stated that he was working with National Instruments on E-Cat development. I specifically asked Ms. Betts if these statements were exaggerations or outright lies on Mr. Rossi’s part and she informed me that THEY WERE NOT, and that indeed Mr. Rossi has been portraying Leonardo Corp’s work with National Instruments accurately. She e-mailed me this link specifically as an accurate accounting of the relationship that has existed between the two parties. It of course is Rossi’s accounting that he posted on his blog earlier this week, as it appeared in article on Independent eCat News (it would appear that Ms. Betts is aware as anyone who has followed this story how bloody difficult it is to read JONP).
I did also ask Ms. Betts about NI’s official position on the whole field of LENR, to which she reiterated the sentiments expressed in previously released statements, namely that LENR is intriguing and has potential. I find that view a breath of fresh air in comparison to two decades old (and continuing) calls of fraud and “junk science.”

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The best part for me isn't the part where Rossi is vindicated. It is this line.

LENR is intriguing and has potential

NI is in on the scam too! That thimble rigger, Rossi!


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Wed, 22 Feb 2012, 8:38am #3724
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I don't see where NI needs to take a position on LENR. I think they were just trying to cultivate a potential customer.

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Yeah I purchased a tank of gasoline for my car the other day. Does that mean I am now working with the giant oil companies to subdue any LENR news? Jeeze, if NI wanted to do business with my dog and he had money they would probably enter into conversations to do that! The NI link is laughable.


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Taylor wrote:

Lensman wrote:

Darn. This topic had finally fallen off the page of current threads, and I hoped this embarrassment to the entire EEStory forum had finally died.

Almost


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Fri, 24 Feb 2012, 1:25pm #3727
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Still no update on Defkalion tests today.. :-(


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I am waitng for the s*it to hit the fan when they find out that the people running these tests are getting irradiated. See http://www.theeestory.com/topics/9851

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Taylor wrote:

Taylor wrote:

Lensman wrote:

Darn. This topic had finally fallen off the page of current threads, and I hoped this embarrassment to the entire EEStory forum had finally died.

Almost


:)

It will never catch up to the politics thread. People never tire of that stuff.

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CaptainObvious wrote:

Taylor wrote:

Taylor wrote:

Lensman wrote:

Darn. This topic had finally fallen off the page of current threads, and I hoped this embarrassment to the entire EEStory forum had finally died.

Almost


:)

It will never catch up to the politics thread. People never tire of that stuff.

The politics thread has more posts, but this thread has many more hits. It's the most popular thread in EEStory history.

FarmEEr: No reason to fret yet. I'm sure Defkalion will issue some words at some point about their third party testing. I doubt they'll be credible words, but they'll be words.


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Sorry for the length of this post.

Interview with Prof Hagelstein of MIT wrote:

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Maurizio Melis - Smart City - Radio 24 episodes of 22 and 23 February 2012 Interview with Peter Hagelstein cold fusion MM is the news that is not news. Very few media say, But rumors are circulating about a year, held demonstrations public more or less convincing, emerging research in full rule, conducted for years in silence on scientific bodies not exactly unknown, such as NASA. We speak of the merger cold, the Holy Grail of Energy, some scientists also equally mythical, for other decidedly more at hand. This time the news comes from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, its research center in Boston, famous throughout the World, with just over 20 years ago gave the coup de grace to cold fusion, declaring that he had tried in every way to replicate, but without success. The then Chief Officer, recently said Some of the results obtained at that time, however, disappeared. The difficulty here is not recall that the MIT was just then the temple of hot fusion research. The voice that comes out today from MIT is instead to Peter Hagelstein, associate professor of MIT to Radio 24 has told a different story. Feel. PH The experiment was developed by Mitchell Swartz, one Cold fusion researcher who owns a company that Jet Energy calls. The demonstration was held in the laboratories of MIT and, from my point of view, the experiment is revolutionary. It we do know is that the device, called NANOR, is based on a nano-material, a nano-powder and palladium oxide zirconium and maybe even something else, which is loaded with deuterium, or heavy hydrogen. For the rest, I can say is that if equipment is brought to MIT Swartz was sealed, because it is still a proprietary technology and was equipped with two electrical wires. Also had an internal sensor for measuring the temperature. At Swartz has shown that the temperature could reach a simple electrical resistance. Then he put the device into operation and increased temperature was over 10 times higher than that obtained only with the resistance. MM The demonstration in the laboratories of MIT took place at the turn of January and February. The apparatus was operated for 23 days and second Hagelstein in this period is remained switched on more or less 40% of the time. The professor also stated that, quote literally, "the energy produced by the device exceeded the chemical scale in less than an hour. " What does that mean? That, after less than an hour from power, the energy produced from the apparatus was higher than that which would have been able to produce a any apparatus of the same size, fed by a source of chemical energy, including the most powerful. Hagelstein has also ruled that there may be a fraud behind the device. PH Mitchell Swartz is in this field of study for over 20 years. He has written and published 1
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numerous articles on cold fusion and other demonstrations held here in the past, the MIT. I do not think there is no fraud, I believe indeed that the experiment was conducted quite well. MM Well, we can not say that there has been a particularly strong active surveillance, by the staff of MIT during this demonstration, however, is Hagelstein convinced that we are faced with a device that produces energy with a gain of 10 to from nuclear reactions at low energy, cold fusion, or, if you prefer. But we are faced with a commercial device? PH Mitchell is certainly the goal of this. I know who is currently seeking funds to investors and venture capital. However I think there are some aspects problematic, at the time. First, for practical application, it is necessary that the device can operate at higher temperatures than those reached in the course experiment, and although I expect that at higher temperatures the system functions rather, need to be sure to experiment. Moreover, the device demonstration has a very low power, only 1/10 of a watt. But also the amount of nano- powder that was used is minimal. On the other hand, having to do with power so small, makes it easier to conduct experiments and then we think that the Being able to achieve small devices is an advantage, not a disadvantage. While MM was performed the experiment at MIT was also taking a course. A course a week, for students, on the theory behind this phenomenon. Theory Hagelstein, which has developed over 20 years of work. The most frequent objection, in fact, especially by the proponents of hot fusion, is that under present conditions inside the apparatus, nuclear fusion is impossible. Tens or hundreds of degrees against the tens or hundreds of millions of degrees needed for the hot fusion, one that occurs in the nucleus of the stars and you're trying to play for years with experiments Billionaires like ITER. In these conditions of extremely high temperature, In short, the hydrogen nuclei, which are started at breakneck speed, they can clash between them, although they repel each other. And here is the fusion. How possible that the same phenomenon occurs at temperatures a million times lower? Here is how it responds Hagelstein. PH, I wish to clarify that I agree with the physicists who claim that the merger nuclear power, nuclear fusion or rather incoherent, as that which occurs within the stars, it is impossible to room temperature. For I consider that the physical process to basis of cold fusion is completely different from what happens in the fusion hot. What happens in the theoretical model, I have developed over the years is that you put in a mechanism that allows motion to divide the great many of energy, necessary to trigger nuclear fusion, in many many children. Something similar happens in some experiments with the laser, in which is seen as some particular crystals are capable of absorbing two pulses of red light, transforming them into a single pulse of light Green. But this is only the simplest case. There have been experiments in which dozens, even thousands of laser pulses are summed into a single impulse more powerful. Well, if instead of "many thousands" we speak of "many millions", here we have a mechanism to explain how cold fusion works. 2
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MM Well, lots of heavy hydrogen atoms, trapped in the crystal lattice of a metal such as Palladio, were moving as a whole, fail to activate nuclear fusion, as a crowd can easily break through the gates of a stadium, while a single person could never do it. It's a little 'this is the basic idea and an idea based on a theory first proposed by Giuliano Preparata, in 90s, one of the most brilliant physicists of the war, then disappeared. For the moment however we are we stop here, tomorrow the second part of the interview with Hagelstein. *** MM This evening we will hear the second part of the interview with Peter Hagelstein, a physicist Theoretically, an associate professor at MIT, one of the best known research centers in the world. In Yesterday's episode, Hagelstein, a scientist with several successes in his career, he told us of demonstration conducted at MIT with NANOR, a little device - brace yourselves - a Cold fusion, Jet Energy produced by a small company in turn is connected with the same MIT and directed by Mitchell Swartz, in turn, student of cold fusion. Second Hagelstein apparatus, during the demonstration, held in the laboratories of MIT and duration of 23 days, has produced 10 times more energy than is consumed, so that the scientist has called the experiment "revolutionary". Hagelstein, on the other hand, knows the subject well: among its various research activities for 20 years has committed to make develop a theoretical model that can explain cold fusion, and as we saw yesterday, also believed to be a good point. That's why today's interview, we asked his opinion about the possibility of reaching more or less rapidly to applications industrial and even what you think of the story of Focardi and Rossi, 24 of them here on Radio we dealt with thoroughly and that, since early last year, have held public demonstrations - in short, never quite convincing - with a apparatus, the E-cat, that would produce energy on the basis of a nuclear reaction, this time between nickel and hydrogen. And then we hear what you think Professor Hagelstein. PH in the literature of the first experiments with the system nickel and hydrogen were carried out in the 90s by the group Piantelli Francis, Sergio Focardi of which was one of the members peak. Their publications were very interesting and taught him much about phenomenon. From reading their publications I have drawn the belief that we are talking about a phenomenon very similar to that of the reactions palladium and hydrogen, the whole suggests how the experiment responds to stimuli, so the phenomenon systematically. I personally believe that high levels of energy gain has been achieved at the time since Piantelli group. As for Rossi, we speak of a technology that would have an enormous economic value, but at the same time very difficult be patented. The result is that Rossi and colleagues have never given accurate information of what is contained in the apparatus, or we have reliable reports of demonstrations conducted. In short, we do not have good documentation technique, indeed, in practice we do not have anything that would be required to make a evaluation. MM But she has that opinion? I believe that the PH Rossi apparatus is basically a derivative of the 3
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Francis Piantelli. If this is true, we know quite well what it is and my physical models, which I developed for the Palladium-Hydrogen, seem to play well what is observed in nickel-hydrogen systems. In my point of view, in experiments with deuterium and the Palladium, are the deuterium atoms to react and by melting, to form helium. While in the experiments with the nickel to react are atoms of Hydrogen and deuterium, which combine to form Helium3. The difference between the two processes Physical is that, in the case of nickel, it is involved in the reaction, eventually disintegrate. The result is that the nickel is consumed, while this does not happen with the Palladio, but I also think that you can control the reaction so that it does not happen and that the nickel is conserved, resulting in a cleaner reaction and efficient. MM Well, do you think that we are moving into a season where we finally establish that cold fusion, meanwhile, is a real phenomenon, and then you can finally use on an industrial scale to produce energy? PH I am convinced, for many years, that the phenomenon under discussion is of extreme importance and that, very realistically, will usher in a new and important technology for produce energy. My hope is that with the spread of these early experiments, will clear, this year, we are faced with a frontier of great interest to us all. I am personally very optimistic from what I know, the group also has Piantelli find funding to develop a commercial apparatus. I believe that in Overall, we are experiencing a very exciting moment in history. The MM thinks it will take to see the practical applications of cold fusion? In short, we are talking about months, years or decades? PH There are many groups around the world who claim to have developed enough to technology for the first industrial applications. Of course, it is necessary that these devices are Compare this with all aspects of security, like any other appliance commercial. We must do all the tests necessary to ensure that no radiation dangerous, the small supply of hydrogen can not catch fire and explode. In short, it is to regulate these new devices and ensure that they respect all rules. This may take some 'time, but I see no reason why, during next year, should not be available on the market the first models of cold fusion devices. Of course we speak only of the first generation, but I think that we will live to see the first units installed in the normal dwellings, which will produce heat and electricity, with huge benefits for us all. I am very optimistic. MM Well, in short, optimism aside, what is certain is that the story of the MIT is only the last of several signals, came out in the last year, that something is really moving on this front. Beyond even rumors of fusion devices cold already being manufactured in China and the United States. Items that are not really easily verifiable. We still here, "Smart City" will continue to keep you date on this subject so interesting and so neglected by most average. 4

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Sat, 25 Feb 2012, 11:27am #3732
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A reply to the previously posted interview by Stremmenos

Reply to Hagelstein Interview

Since the elongation of the "harmonic oscillator " (schematic model of reference), has the same expression both from the point of view that classical quantum, then coherent electromagnetic fields of adjustable intensity (laser) and "tunnabili " Raman spectral frequencies observed, could induce resonance ( nb: the times are much longer than the time of nuclear reactions ), a strong compression of the crystal lattice oscillation (consistently) that houses the nuclei of deuterium in order to bring them closer to the point of being ( statistically ) the barrier Coulomb repulsion and thus create the conditions of "cold fusion" of this isotope of hydrogen trapped in the palladium, resulting in the production of He 4 + 24 MeV energy.

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Can any of you guys reach: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/
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It has been down for me all day today. (Sat, Feb 25th)


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Sat, 25 Feb 2012, 12:33pm #3734
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farmEEr wrote:

Can any of you guys reach: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/
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It has been down for me all day today. (Sat, Feb 25th)

Loaded fine for me.
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/
Did they update it?


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Sat, 25 Feb 2012, 1:04pm #3735
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wasmaba wrote:

farmEEr wrote:

Can any of you guys reach: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/
?
It has been down for me all day today. (Sat, Feb 25th)

Loaded fine for me.
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/
Did they update it?

Weird, I cannot even ping them. I have their IP as 62.103.149.53
Just checked with my cell phone and it works just fine.

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farmEEr wrote:

Can any of you guys reach: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/
?
It has been down for me all day today. (Sat, Feb 25th)

It's good for me too. There are some folks on another forum that are having the same problem as you.

You're not missing anything. Defkalion is silent on their tests. They're also busy deleting posts that ask them about the tests.


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Oakthicket wrote:

farmEEr wrote:

Can any of you guys reach: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/
?
It has been down for me all day today. (Sat, Feb 25th)

It's good for me too. There are some folks on another forum that are having the same problem as you.

You're not missing anything. Defkalion is silent on their tests. They're also busy deleting posts that ask them about the tests.


But not any statements that say that tests begin on the 24th or the press release that states that testers and proceedures will be announced before tests begin..

Hmmmm


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“Hundreds of Applications” for Defkalion tests
http://cold-fusion.ca/hundreds-of-applications-...

Defkalion are now in the process of preparing the independent test with seven well-known research centres and organisations from Greece and elsewhere. Their statement goes on to say that “The process of determining the available testing dates of research centers and protocols of each test-instrumentation research centers/organizations, require much correspondence and understandings (possibly more time consuming than we thought, due to their internal bureaucracy).”

Although no timescale is given, it looks as though the wait could go on for at least another couple of months before we can anticipate the tests being carried out. Defkalion’s website has not yet updated beyond their invitation on 23rd January where a statement read “Independent tests have already been scheduled. With this announcement, PDGT welcomes further requests from internationally recognised and reputable scientific organisations interested to conduct their independent tests on “bare” Hyperion Reactors.”

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The free energy circus is an endless source of entertainment. You've got ranting felons like Rossi, true believers like Sterling Allan and Vortex-L and now this new entry from Defkalion all stirring the pot.

The only certainty is that not one watt of free energy will be generated! It does demonstrate how strong our human motivation is to take just things on faith.

It's no surprise that Defkalion isn't publishing their test results of course. Rossi's venture started to fall apart after his big demo with the mystery Colonel which stretched credulity. The recent video showing the 'reactor' never left his lab was probably the final nail in the coffin for many. Defkalion has likely learned from his mistakes and are trying to sell 'licenses' before they hit a similar snag.

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8ball wrote:

The free energy circus is an endless source of entertainment. You've got ranting felons like Rossi, true believers like Sterling Allan and Vortex-L and now this new entry from Defkalion all stirring the pot.

The only certainty is that not one watt of free energy will be generated! It does demonstrate how strong our human motivation is to take just things on faith.

It's no surprise that Defkalion isn't publishing their test results of course. Rossi's venture started to fall apart after his big demo with the mystery Colonel which stretched credulity. The recent video showing the 'reactor' never left his lab was probably the final nail in the coffin for many. Defkalion has likely learned from his mistakes and are trying to sell 'licenses' before they hit a similar snag.

You seemed pretty convinced. Why?
Why do you think this is "free" energy?


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farmEEr wrote:

8ball wrote:

The free energy circus is an endless source of entertainment. You've got ranting felons like Rossi, true believers like Sterling Allan and Vortex-L and now this new entry from Defkalion all stirring the pot.

The only certainty is that not one watt of free energy will be generated! It does demonstrate how strong our human motivation is to take just things on faith.

It's no surprise that Defkalion isn't publishing their test results of course. Rossi's venture started to fall apart after his big demo with the mystery Colonel which stretched credulity. The recent video showing the 'reactor' never left his lab was probably the final nail in the coffin for many. Defkalion has likely learned from his mistakes and are trying to sell 'licenses' before they hit a similar snag.

You seemed pretty convinced. Why?
Why do you think this is "free" energy?

farmEEr,

I bought a cord of wood for my fireplace last fall. Gee, if I didn't pay for that wood then would that be free energy?

It seems to me the actual cost of Rossi's E-cat energy will be the cost of the consumables, the cost of the E-cat reactor, the cost of the pumps, pipes, electronics, unit assemble, shipping and etc. Also include the profit for the companies that will produce these products. With competition it will get cheaper, but it will not be free.

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Ecat World Interview

New Rossi Interview

Rossi is very pleased with the plant now. He said they have solved all the problems they needed to take care of and they are about two weeks away from shipping it. He also said that the E-Cat module used in the plant has been redesigned.

Rossi reported on what he considered a significant breakthrough in the area of electrical production. He said that just a few days ago Siemens AG (German engineering firm) were with him in his Bologna factory and they demonstrated a turbine that could produce electricity at 30 per cent efficiency from a steam temperature of 251 C.

Siemens AG?
Anyone on the forum work at Siemens?


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farmEEr wrote:

Ecat World Interview

New Rossi Interview

Rossi is very pleased with the plant now. He said they have solved all the problems they needed to take care of and they are about two weeks away from shipping it. He also said that the E-Cat module used in the plant has been redesigned.

Rossi reported on what he considered a significant breakthrough in the area of electrical production. He said that just a few days ago Siemens AG (German engineering firm) were with him in his Bologna factory and they demonstrated a turbine that could produce electricity at 30 per cent efficiency from a steam temperature of 251 C.

Siemens AG?
Anyone on the forum work at Siemens?

Sounds like another attempt by Rossi at 'credibility by association'.

Siemens is a huge international company with many businesses and interests. One of their businesses is large industrial turbines. Siemens/Westinghouse are one of three big turbine manufacturers in the world. The other two are General Electric and Alstom. Mitsubishi is also a big player.

http://www.energy.siemens.com/hq/en/power-gener...

A steam turbine with a 30% efficiency is unremarkable. It's tough for a steam turbine to run on saturated steam at 105 deg.C. (I suspect the humour of this comment will be lost on most people.)

Any premise that Siemens is somehow supportive of Rossi's eCat is foolish. It's no different than Rossi's deceitful attempts at 'credibility by association' with the University of Uppsala, University of Bologna, National Instruments, NASA and MIT. It's a common fraudster ploy.


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Oakthicket wrote:

Any premise that Siemens is somehow supportive of Rossi's eCat is foolish. It's no different than Rossi's deceitful attempts at 'credibility by association' with the University of Uppsala, University of Bologna, National Instruments, NASA and MIT. It's a common fraudster ploy.

Yeah, then why don't you prove that is scam instead making up a bunch of silly non-sense. Just tell us who is getting scammed and when the money transfer (fraud) will occur.

Most everything you claim as "deceitful" has been explained a number of times, but you are so biased towards your nutter-scam-believer conspiracy theories that you can't separate fact from fiction.

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Oakthicket wrote:

farmEEr wrote:

Ecat World Interview

New Rossi Interview

Rossi is very pleased with the plant now. He said they have solved all the problems they needed to take care of and they are about two weeks away from shipping it. He also said that the E-Cat module used in the plant has been redesigned.

Rossi reported on what he considered a significant breakthrough in the area of electrical production. He said that just a few days ago Siemens AG (German engineering firm) were with him in his Bologna factory and they demonstrated a turbine that could produce electricity at 30 per cent efficiency from a steam temperature of 251 C.

Siemens AG?
Anyone on the forum work at Siemens?

Sounds like another attempt by Rossi at 'credibility by association'.

Siemens is a huge international company with many businesses and interests. One of their businesses is large industrial turbines. Siemens/Westinghouse are one of three big turbine manufacturers in the world. The other two are General Electric and Alstom. Mitsubishi is also a big player.

http://www.energy.siemens.com/hq/en/power-gener...

A steam turbine with a 30% efficiency is unremarkable. It's tough for a steam turbine to run on saturated steam at 105 deg.C. (I suspect the humour of this comment will be lost on most people.)

Any premise that Siemens is somehow supportive of Rossi's eCat is foolish. It's no different than Rossi's deceitful attempts at 'credibility by association' with the University of Uppsala, University of Bologna, National Instruments, NASA and MIT. It's a common fraudster ploy.

Ok a few problems with your statement. for one, the Siemens mini turbine is New technology. It is claimed by Siemens that it needs 251C steam to push at over 30% efficiency. you get better efficiency when you get hotter steam, I think Siemens Large undustrial Turbines have just made the remarkable leap to 60% efficiency.

The fact that these little turbines can even work at such low steam temps "is" remarkable in and of itself. 30% at these temperatures is a beakthrough.

Everything Rossi says has merrit. I see many trying take these statements and twist them into garbage but it only makes them look like idiots.

I think Skeptics are getting pissed that Rossi, without any Physics degree, is consistantly shooting every skeptic claim down, and handily at that.

The Only thing left in the Skeptic "bag of tricks" is the fact that Rossi will Not give the demo skeptics want.

it is hilarious, Cry as you might, Rossi has you over the barrel.

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Everything Rossi says has merrit. I see many trying take these statements and twist them into garbage but it only makes them look like idiots.

I think Skeptics are getting pissed that Rossi, without any Physics degree, is consistantly shooting every skeptic claim down, and handily at that.

The Only thing left in the Skeptic "bag of tricks" is the fact that Rossi will Not give the demo skeptics want.

it is hilarious, Cry as you might, Rossi has you over the barrel.

Sesla, I have to agree. Rossi is acting like a man who knows exactly what he is doing, no small feat given the stakes involved here. Unfailingly polite to any honest person, he called a certain lapdog a "snake." When the snake attributed to a third party the story that Rossi was no longer working with National Instruments, he thought to get his revenge. Imagine everyone's surprise when, in the space of two days 1) Rossi says, yes, its true, we are no longer working with NI -- adding that he thought they were a fine company and that he and his people had been "taught many things" by NI, and hoped to work with them in the future, but that his customer for the 1 MW plants preferred another supplier with whom they had an established relation....gosh, who could *that* be? 2) Blogger calls NI and says, "how do you feel? Have you thrown in the towel on Rossi." NI spokeswoman says, we are very pleased to be working on LENR projects, have great respect for Mr. Rossi, and if you want to know what our relationship with him is like, please see [link to Rossi's original statement]. The snake got bit on its ass.

Its time for Y_Po to take some time out for a beer. Maybe Tec can join him with some textbooks on LENR and they can build us an E-cat that runs on Guinness and generates electricity for the EE-Su.

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Taylor wrote:

Oakthicket wrote:

Any premise that Siemens is somehow supportive of Rossi's eCat is foolish. It's no different than Rossi's deceitful attempts at 'credibility by association' with the University of Uppsala, University of Bologna, National Instruments, NASA and MIT. It's a common fraudster ploy.

Yeah, then why don't you prove that is scam instead making up a bunch of silly non-sense. Just tell us who is getting scammed and when the money transfer (fraud) will occur.

Most everything you claim as "deceitful" has been explained a number of times, but you are so biased towards your nutter-scam-believer conspiracy theories that you can't separate fact from fiction.

Its interesting how well this discussion is helping me to make up my previously undecided mind about EESTOR. Bringing to the discussion a few weeks of intense online study of the Rossi-LENR story from a few dozen different websites, when I come here I encounter the same luddite nonsense being argued in both cases, first against EESTOR, and now against LENR. I even found Y_Po (or someone who had stolen his good name) operating as a troll at one of the LENR sites! If Whiskey Thief knew anything at all about the history of Rossi's involvement with NI, he would be more empirical in his phraseology. Rossi is not "playing" the game of credibility with major players. He is winning it.


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There is little point in wasting time on this until it is generally accepted to work. At the moment it isn't.

Unlike y_po and his boy assistant Lensman, I am NOT saying it is a scam. Merely that I don't know at this point. I want to keep an open mind on it but not so open that my brain falls out.

And I am not going to waste time looking at any 'theory' until I am sure it works.

I am a little puzzled at why this should cause such hostility. If it works, it should do so whether I have faith in it or not.

I think waiting for an unambiguous demonstration of significantly more energy coming out of it than is going in for a very long period - like days or weeks - is a reasonable position, and I intend to wait until this happens.

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farmEEr wrote:

wasmaba wrote:

farmEEr wrote:

Can any of you guys reach: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/
?
It has been down for me all day today. (Sat, Feb 25th)

Loaded fine for me.
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/
Did they update it?

Weird, I cannot even ping them. I have their IP as 62.103.149.53
Just checked with my cell phone and it works just fine.

Turns out this is a comcast wide problem. They have their "network engineers on it and will sort it out in 72 hours"

What ever.


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Tec wrote:

There is little point in wasting time on this until it is generally accepted to work. At the moment it isn't.

Unlike y_po and his boy assistant Lensman, I am NOT saying it is a scam. Merely that I don't know at this point. I want to keep an open mind on it but not so open that my brain falls out.

And I am not going to waste time looking at any 'theory' until I am sure it works.

I am a little puzzled at why this should cause such hostility. If it works, it should do so whether I have faith in it or not.

I think waiting for an unambiguous demonstration of significantly more energy coming out of it than is going in for a very long period - like days or weeks - is a reasonable position, and I intend to wait until this happens.

You may be mistaking confidence for "hostility." There is no hostility in *my* postings, at least (believe me, I know when I'm feeling hostile and you are quite safe from it) -- just perhaps an intolerance of people shooting off their mouths in a negative fashion without having first bothered to acquaint themselves with the facts.

Don't take it personally. Its a common failing. I'd love for you to be the one (with Y_Po of course) to invent that Guiness E-cat. I might even invest in your Co. if you did. Cheers,

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