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Fri, 09 Mar 2012, 5:48pm #4441
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KONY 2012 dissenters

http://allafrica.com/stories/201203080907.html

Solving War Crimes With Wristbands: The Arrogance of 'Kony 2012'

At this point, I do not agree with the critics of Invisible Children and find Kony 2012 inspiring. I want them to succeed.

That said, one has to wonder if some of the critics, other NGO's, etc., have become jaded after dealing with the likes of Pat Robertson.

Here is Pat Robertson in all his glory:

• A man whose salary is funded by donations to a "Christian" tax exempt entity which required its African-American employees to enter the premises through the back door and to eat in separate dining areas.
• A man who makes so much money from his association with this "Christian" tax-exempt entity that he can afford to spend over $500,000 to buy a race horse and name it Mr. Pat, after himself.
• A man who is so eager to increase his personal wealth that he enters a business venture with a cruel dictator to mine diamonds and uses the planes from his "Christian" aid organization, "Operation Blessing" almost exclusively to carry mining equipment while telling his followers that their contributions will fund relief efforts and not mining for blood diamonds.
• A man who is so eager to increase his personal wealth that he enters another business venture to explore and mine gold with a dictator/terrorist actively engaged in committing crimes against humanity including murder, torture, rape, child slavery, and forcing children to be soldiers to explore for gold. The joint venture being housed on the same location as the "Christian Broadcasting Network" his tax-exempt entity.
I have one question for the "Reverend" Pat Robertson:
Just who made a pact with the Devil?


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It still floors me, that in the 21st century, rhetoric like that by Santorum below isn't massively and widely condemned as pure bullshit by the American public. The fact that this guy is even in the race says a lot and it's not a pretty picture my friends.

JUAN GONZALEZ:... I wanted to play for you a comment Rick Santorum made in 2008 about Satan attacking American institutions. He was speaking at Ave Maria University in Florida, a conservative Catholic school founded by Domino’s Pizza magnate Tom Monaghan.

RICK SANTORUM: This is not a political war at all. This is not a cultural war at all. This is a spiritual war. And the father of lies has his sights on what you would think the father of lies, Satan, would have his sights on: a good, decent, powerful, influential country, the United States of America. If you were Satan, who would you attack, in this day and age? There is no one else to go after, other than the United States. And that’s been the case for now almost 200 years, once Americans’ preeminence was sown by our great Founding Fathers. He didn’t have much success in the early days. Our foundation was very strong, in fact is very strong. But over time, that great acidic quality of time corrodes away even the strongest foundations. And Satan has done so by attacking the great institutions of America, using those great vices of pride, vanity and sensuality as the route to attack all of these strong plants that have so deeply rooted in American tradition. He was successful. He attacks all of us, and he attacks all of our institutions.

JUAN GONZALEZ: That was Rick Santorum in 2008. Will Bunch, you’ve got about a minute to respond to that.

WILL BUNCH: Well, first of all, who knew that sensuality was destroying America, number one? But, well, a couple things about that, real quick. I mean, this shows—you know, Ave Maria, a very conservative Catholic institution—I think not enough exploration has been done of Santorum’s ties to the most conservative factions within the Catholic Church. He has long been a kind of vocal supporter of the Opus Dei movement. He says he’s not a member, but he’s spoken at their events, and he belongs to a church that still does Latin mass.

And, you know, because Santorum has invited us to look at this. He said that faith is something that we should look when we decide a candidate. And I do think his faith demands more scrutiny.

I mean, he has this tendency, that you say in the Satan speech, and you also see this in the way he talks about the situation in the Middle East and with Iran, which I think is very scary, to look at the world in these apocalyptic terms, you know, that this isn’t just a political issue, but this is part of the, you know, internal struggle between good and evil, and to cast in these religious terms.

And, you know, I think Americans should think long and hard about electing a leader with that worldview.


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Everyone taking orders from God, Allah or other mythological beings is to be feared because they are delusional with ideas that differ from those of the Taliban only in the details. So are other paranoid people such as Stalin and Hitler. Whenever such people achieve power, and they are all driven to seek power, many will suffer.

For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

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Rick annoys me. I've met people like him. He thinks he knows all the answers to the mysteries of life. He has an undeserved sense of confidence and is very assertive about it. Doubt knows no place in his mind. He has it all figured out, whatever 'it' is. And he believes he has a 'more moral than you' view of life.....his arrogance knows no bounds... He doesn't believe in evolution.

Why not?

It's all about where he gets his information from. In his case, the Discovery Institute, a place that disregards the rules of science and rests belief about the natural world, on internal superstition, where evidence contradicts biblical literalism....he's about 500 years behind the time on that one.

He's a fairly smart guy, but really 'superstitious'...by that I mean he believes in truth based on internal hunch, intuition, and what people you trust tell you.

He can think logically but prefers not to.

His foreign policy views are heavily influenced by his Catholicism, which sees the political narrative and events in the middle east, as playing out in accord with spiritual forces, and demons, and God's plans in the Bible, which are interpreted by patching together disparate Bible verses and weaving them into a narrative that the weaver says will occur.

Problem is, this is just a mental process where you look into vague, unrelated historical documents, and fool yourself that they are speaking to you personally, and then unaware to Rick, his mind fools him into believing the picture that emerges comes out of prayer and reflects objective reality, in the external world.

He doesn't even know he fools himself all the time, and the superstitious part of his mind, the irrational part, is in charge. His internal fears and whatever semi-intellectual Biblical scholarship bullshit he happens to be reading forms and directs his fear, and turns it into a 'theory'.

It's difficult to have rational thought, under such a mental apparatus.

....He is not quite intelligent enough to realize that a spiritual view of life can take place without fear and superstition.

Since he is such a die-hard Catholic, and sees the world in black and white terms, and the dark side for him is Islam, I have no doubt he would nuke a Muslim city if he thought God wanted him to do it.

On religion and Islam, he's a Catholic George W. Bush, on steroids.

On women and birth control, he'd prefer a culture where women were quiet and submissive, married young, and became baby making machines. He sees current sexual freedom as destroying American culture and would end it, if he could. In this, he simply does not understand the modern world.

Like many conservatives, he lives in an information bubble. He will only allow certain information in, if he trusts the source. In this, he completely lacks objectivity and is closed minded. He just isn't curious as to how he could be wrong.

On global warming, he thinks it's a scam. Why? Because he has carefully looked at the science and came up with evidence that it may be fraudulent or overblown? No.

I could respect that, but no....

It's because people he trust have told him it is a hoax. Rick sees the world partly through complete deranged paranoia. To him, there are vast spiritual forces, hidden demons floating unseen around us, destroying morals. And by extension, global warming is just another conspiracy.

Of course conspiracies need evil, nefarious people leading them, and in this case, is is generalized in the notion of 'liberals'....people like me, a self-confessed liberal, are seen to be under the domination and influence of demonic forces, that are controlling my mind and forcing my fingers to type this, and my brain to think these thoughts.

And the good guys? Those are the conservatives, in his black and white universe.

And on education, the universities that people attend are controlled by demonic forces.

He doesn't believe in the separation of church and state and is very aggressive about pushing what he believes, so if he becomes President, expect him to push very hard for intrusive religion being combined with government.

I'm not sure if he wants the American government to be a branch of the Catholic Church, or just an equal partner in deciding the future of America.

On the sexual abuse in the Catholic Church and the raping of tens of thousands of mostly boys, rather than admitting the perversity of the abuse, he blames liberals for priests raping children. How so? He claims so-called liberal sexual permissiveness has created a sexual-moral atmosphere in America where even priest have become infected by the demonic forces that millions of liberals like me have supposedly let loose on the world, and have corrupted priests, who were overpowered by the demons, and had to go out and rape countless little boys, over many decades, if not centuries.

A man who can think such a thought is, for some things, completely a lunatic, IMO, and deranged from normal human reality. Such a man can distort the fabric of reality, ignore all rules of evidence and common sense, and shift the blame for the most hideous human crimes, onto people entirely unconnected to the crimes.

Such a warped mental leap is like somehow blaming the Jews for the Holocaust.

...a sick, sick man.

And, if you elect him President, that's what you will get.

Yes, he really is Candidate Screwtape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santorum

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Also, he's full of shit.

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Here is what happens when religion gets free reign:

By msnbc.com staff and news services

BAGHDAD -- At least 14 youths have been stoned to death in Baghdad in the past three weeks in what appears to be a campaign by Shiite militants against youths wearing Western-style "emo" clothes and haircuts, security and hospital sources say.

Militants in Shiite neighborhoods where the stonings have taken place circulated lists on Saturday naming more youths targeted to be killed if they do not change the way they dress.

The killings have taken place since Iraq's interior ministry drew attention to the "emo" subculture last month, labeling it "Satanism" and ordering a community police force to stamp it out.
"Emo" is a genre of punk rock music that originated in the United States in the 1980s. Fans are known for their distinctive dress, often including tight jeans, T-shirts with logos and distinctive long or spiky haircuts.

FROM: http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/10...


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Sun, 11 Mar 2012, 12:36pm #4447
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TimBitts649 wrote:

Rick annoys me. I've met people like him. He thinks he knows all the answers to the mysteries of life. He has an undeserved sense of confidence and is very assertive about it. Doubt knows no place in his mind. He has it all figured out, whatever 'it' is. And he believes he has a 'more moral than you' view of life.....his arrogance knows no bounds... He doesn't believe in evolution.

Why not?

It's all about where he gets his information from. In his case, the Discovery Institute, a place that disregards the rules of science and rests belief about the natural world, on internal superstition, where evidence contradicts biblical literalism....he's about 500 years behind the time on that one.

He's a fairly smart guy, but really 'superstitious'...by that I mean he believes in truth based on internal hunch, intuition, and what people you trust tell you.

He can think logically but prefers not to.

His foreign policy views are heavily influenced by his Catholicism, which sees the political narrative and events in the middle east, as playing out in accord with spiritual forces, and demons, and God's plans in the Bible, which are interpreted by patching together disparate Bible verses and weaving them into a narrative that the weaver says will occur.

Problem is, this is just a mental process where you look into vague, unrelated historical documents, and fool yourself that they are speaking to you personally, and then unaware to Rick, his mind fools him into believing the picture that emerges comes out of prayer and reflects objective reality, in the external world.

He doesn't even know he fools himself all the time, and the superstitious part of his mind, the irrational part, is in charge. His internal fears and whatever semi-intellectual Biblical scholarship bullshit he happens to be reading forms and directs his fear, and turns it into a 'theory'.

It's difficult to have rational thought, under such a mental apparatus.

....He is not quite intelligent enough to realize that a spiritual view of life can take place without fear and superstition.

Since he is such a die-hard Catholic, and sees the world in black and white terms, and the dark side for him is Islam, I have no doubt he would nuke a Muslim city if he thought God wanted him to do it.

On religion and Islam, he's a Catholic George W. Bush, on steroids.

On women and birth control, he'd prefer a culture where women were quiet and submissive, married young, and became baby making machines. He sees current sexual freedom as destroying American culture and would end it, if he could. In this, he simply does not understand the modern world.

Like many conservatives, he lives in an information bubble. He will only allow certain information in, if he trusts the source. In this, he completely lacks objectivity and is closed minded. He just isn't curious as to how he could be wrong.

On global warming, he thinks it's a scam. Why? Because he has carefully looked at the science and came up with evidence that it may be fraudulent or overblown? No.

I could respect that, but no....

It's because people he trust have told him it is a hoax. Rick sees the world partly through complete deranged paranoia. To him, there are vast spiritual forces, hidden demons floating unseen around us, destroying morals. And by extension, global warming is just another conspiracy.

Of course conspiracies need evil, nefarious people leading them, and in this case, is is generalized in the notion of 'liberals'....people like me, a self-confessed liberal, are seen to be under the domination and influence of demonic forces, that are controlling my mind and forcing my fingers to type this, and my brain to think these thoughts.

And the good guys? Those are the conservatives, in his black and white universe.

And on education, the universities that people attend are controlled by demonic forces.

He doesn't believe in the separation of church and state and is very aggressive about pushing what he believes, so if he becomes President, expect him to push very hard for intrusive religion being combined with government.

I'm not sure if he wants the American government to be a branch of the Catholic Church, or just an equal partner in deciding the future of America.

On the sexual abuse in the Catholic Church and the raping of tens of thousands of mostly boys, rather than admitting the perversity of the abuse, he blames liberals for priests raping children. How so? He claims so-called liberal sexual permissiveness has created a sexual-moral atmosphere in America where even priest have become infected by the demonic forces that millions of liberals like me have supposedly let loose on the world, and have corrupted priests, who were overpowered by the demons, and had to go out and rape countless little boys, over many decades, if not centuries.

A man who can think such a thought is, for some things, completely a lunatic, IMO, and deranged from normal human reality. Such a man can distort the fabric of reality, ignore all rules of evidence and common sense, and shift the blame for the most hideous human crimes, onto people entirely unconnected to the crimes.

Such a warped mental leap is like somehow blaming the Jews for the Holocaust.

...a sick, sick man.

And, if you elect him President, that's what you will get.

Yes, he really is Candidate Screwtape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santorum

Tim,

And yet Santorum was a Senator, and is a leading candidate for POTUS.

How many senators, representatives, governors, and mayors are in elected office right now that sympathize with Santorum? Plenty of them. Some of them might just be political opportunists and not "true believers" like Santorum, but plenty are just as pathological.

And of course the subtext to all this is they were elected by the people. That Santorum is a leading candidate is shocking. For Christ sake, it is one thing to win the Iowa caucus, but he won in Colorado and Minnesota too.

People voted for Santorum, not in 1812 or 1912, but in 2012.

I remember reading the Screwtape Letters when I was a teenager and have this vague recollection of being disturbed by the book rather than entertained.

Thanks for the post.


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wcushman wrote:

Everyone taking orders from God, Allah or other mythological beings is to be feared because they are delusional with ideas that differ from those of the Taliban only in the details. So are other paranoid people such as Stalin and Hitler. Whenever such people achieve power, and they are all driven to seek power, many will suffer.

For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

How many atheists have been elected and serve in Washington?

‘We Are Stronger’: Atheists To Hold Massive Rally On National Mall Next Month

http://www.reasonrally.org/


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wcushman wrote:

Here is what happens when religion gets free reign:

By msnbc.com staff and news services

BAGHDAD -- At least 14 youths have been stoned to death in Baghdad in the past three weeks in what appears to be a campaign by Shiite militants against youths wearing Western-style "emo" clothes and haircuts, security and hospital sources say.

Militants in Shiite neighborhoods where the stonings have taken place circulated lists on Saturday naming more youths targeted to be killed if they do not change the way they dress.

The killings have taken place since Iraq's interior ministry drew attention to the "emo" subculture last month, labeling it "Satanism" and ordering a community police force to stamp it out.
"Emo" is a genre of punk rock music that originated in the United States in the 1980s. Fans are known for their distinctive dress, often including tight jeans, T-shirts with logos and distinctive long or spiky haircuts.

FROM: http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/10...

It is almost all young men and boys they are killing, along with a couple emo girls that try to "dress like men".

Religious Militias impose Death Penalty on Gay Children

Officials and human rights groups estimated as many as 58 Iraqis who are either gay or believed to be gay have been killed in the last six weeks alone — forecasting what experts fear is a return to the rampant hate crimes against homosexuals in 2009. This year, eyewitnesses and human rights groups say some of the victims have been bludgeoned to death by militiamen smashing in their skulls with heavy cement blocks.

Ninety stoned to death

A group of armed men dressed in civilian clothing led dozens of teenagers to secluded areas a few days ago, stoned them to death, and then disposed their bodies in garbage dumpsters across the capital, according to activists, activists told the Cairo-based al-Akhbar website.

The armed men are said to belong to 'one of the most extremist religious groups' in Iraq.

'First they throw concrete blocks at the boy's arms, then at his legs, then the final blow is to his head, and if he is not dead then, they start all over again,' one person who managed to escape told Al-Akhbar.

Iraq's moral police was granted approval by the Ministry of Education to enter Baghdad schools and pinpoint students with such appearances, according to the interior ministry's statement.

Is it any wonder religious nuts make me nervous? LOL


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What I find scary is that Muslims escape from their miserable societies to enjoy greater freedom in the West. They were made miserable by the attributes of their Islamic religion whether Sunni, Shiite or other form. Then they insist on instilling those attributes, such as Sharia Law, in their newly adopted homes, but the eventual result will be the misery they sought to escape. They do not understand that their misery is a product of their horrid intolerable religion which is incapable of co-existing within a secular society.

For example:

Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- A suicide bomber targeted a funeral in northwest Pakistan on Sunday, killing at least 14 people and wounding 37 others, officials said.

...skip...

The Tehrik-e-Taliban, or Pakistani Taliban, claimed responsibility for the blast.

"We carried out the attack," said Asim Mehsud, the Taliban spokesman for Pakistan's South Waziristan region. "We will also target upcoming rallies of the Awami National Party, as it is a secular party. We will also target any other rallies conducted by secular political parties in the future."

From: http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/11/world/asia/pakist...

The Born-Again Fundamentalist Christians in the US can only jealously dream of having such control over the population of the US.

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wcushman wrote:

What I find scary is that Muslims escape from their miserable societies to enjoy greater freedom in the West. They were made miserable by the attributes of their Islamic religion whether Sunni, Shiite or other form. Then they insist on instilling those attributes, such as Sharia Law, in their newly adopted homes, but the eventual result will be the misery they sought to escape. They do not understand that their misery is a product of their horrid intolerable religion which is incapable of co-existing within a secular society.

For example:

Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- A suicide bomber targeted a funeral in northwest Pakistan on Sunday, killing at least 14 people and wounding 37 others, officials said.

...skip...

The Tehrik-e-Taliban, or Pakistani Taliban, claimed responsibility for the blast.

"We carried out the attack," said Asim Mehsud, the Taliban spokesman for Pakistan's South Waziristan region. "We will also target upcoming rallies of the Awami National Party, as it is a secular party. We will also target any other rallies conducted by secular political parties in the future."

From: http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/11/world/asia/pakist...

The Born-Again Fundamentalist Christians in the US can only jealously dream of having such control over the population of the US.

I was having a beer with a friend of mine last night, from the Sudan in Africa. He's in his early 50s, like me. He talked about the civil war there that has gone on since a couple of years before he was born. Of course it was about religion....Islam vs Christianity...dominating the other group and keeping all the oil money.....He lost relatives in that war, and he said "I wish George Bush would have imposed a lot more democracy on countries around the world. People in Canada and America have no idea how lucky they are. Canada and America are fair countries".

50+ years of war? No, I agree with him. I can't really imagine what that's like.

Surprising though he is a devout born-again Christian and has suffered at the hands of Muslims, he only speaks of forgiveness and mutual respect when the topic of Muslims comes up. A very fine man.

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wcushman wrote:

What I find scary is that Muslims escape from their miserable societies to enjoy greater freedom in the West. They were made miserable by the attributes of their Islamic religion whether Sunni, Shiite or other form. Then they insist on instilling those attributes, such as Sharia Law, in their newly adopted homes, but the eventual result will be the misery they sought to escape. They do not understand that their misery is a product of their horrid intolerable religion which is incapable of co-existing within a secular society.

For example:

Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- A suicide bomber targeted a funeral in northwest Pakistan on Sunday, killing at least 14 people and wounding 37 others, officials said.

...skip...

The Tehrik-e-Taliban, or Pakistani Taliban, claimed responsibility for the blast.

"We carried out the attack," said Asim Mehsud, the Taliban spokesman for Pakistan's South Waziristan region. "We will also target upcoming rallies of the Awami National Party, as it is a secular party. We will also target any other rallies conducted by secular political parties in the future."

From: http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/11/world/asia/pakist...

The Born-Again Fundamentalist Christians in the US can only jealously dream of having such control over the population of the US.


Agreed.


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TimBitts649 wrote:

wcushman wrote:

What I find scary is that Muslims escape from their miserable societies to enjoy greater freedom in the West. They were made miserable by the attributes of their Islamic religion whether Sunni, Shiite or other form. Then they insist on instilling those attributes, such as Sharia Law, in their newly adopted homes, but the eventual result will be the misery they sought to escape. They do not understand that their misery is a product of their horrid intolerable religion which is incapable of co-existing within a secular society.

For example:

Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- A suicide bomber targeted a funeral in northwest Pakistan on Sunday, killing at least 14 people and wounding 37 others, officials said.

...skip...

The Tehrik-e-Taliban, or Pakistani Taliban, claimed responsibility for the blast.

"We carried out the attack," said Asim Mehsud, the Taliban spokesman for Pakistan's South Waziristan region. "We will also target upcoming rallies of the Awami National Party, as it is a secular party. We will also target any other rallies conducted by secular political parties in the future."

From: http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/11/world/asia/pakist...

The Born-Again Fundamentalist Christians in the US can only jealously dream of having such control over the population of the US.

I was having a beer with a friend of mine last night, from the Sudan in Africa. He's in his early 50s, like me. He talked about the civil war there that has gone on since a couple of years before he was born. Of course it was about religion....Islam vs Christianity...dominating the other group and keeping all the oil money.....He lost relatives in that war, and he said "I wish George Bush would have imposed a lot more democracy on countries around the world. People in Canada and America have no idea how lucky they are. Canada and America are fair countries".

50+ years of war? No, I agree with him. I can't really imagine what that's like.

Surprising though he is a devout born-again Christian and has suffered at the hands of Muslims, he only speaks of forgiveness and mutual respect when the topic of Muslims comes up. A very fine man.

The problem is that only a tiny fraction of a population can enslave the remainder by several methods. Fear is used extensively. I think you will find absolute dictators at the top of every theocracy. Karl Marx talked about religion as an opiate used by government. At the time, Opium was a sedative, and his remark is not properly understood today. But, he meant that government likes to use religion as a tool in enforcing its will upon the people. Sharia Law is especially useful for that purpose. No equivalent exists in Christianity. However, good and productive individuals often exist, even within the confines of such a society, and in fact, may be the vast majority. But, the rulers of the society are sufficiently powerful to stifle the wishes of the people. If an independent poll could have been taken in Germany in 1942 as WWII reached full intensity, I suspect the vast majority of Germans would have disapproved of Hitlers job performance, but it hardly mattered. 25,000 German soldiers were executed basically for failing to perform as Hitler demanded, which probably indicated they had some doubts about the direction in which Hitler was leading Germany. Others with similar ideas probably decided they were more likely to survive by continuing to follow his lead and avoided expressing their personal ideas.

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I am wondering today why the Republicans are so loudly beating the drums of War, against Iran. It's been going on, this war talk, in high gear, steady for about a month now.

What gives? Why now?

President Obama said the other day that he did not want gas prices to go up in an election year. He was pretty clear about that. He got real sarcastic to a reporter about that, and treated him like an idiot. .....now....Obviously the President knows that if the American public gets pissed off about high gas prices, it hurts his chances of re-election.

If Israel strikes against Iran, before the election, of course Obama will support Israel. He's been pretty clear about that. He has no choice in that. And of course the Republicans will support Israel, even more the Democrats. Republicans are more vocal in their support of Israel than even the Democrats are.

....so then, what if there is an Israeli air strike against Iran before the election? Bombs start going off, flying back and forth between Israel and Iran, the Strait of Hormuz is maybe blocked for a while.

Panic hits the world.

....oil prices skyrocket, pissing of the American voter

....people get all scared of Muslims again

And then what?

And then the Republicans have a field day, call Obama weak for supposedly letting things get to this point, and the Republicans blame President Obama for the high gas prices, which incidentally are starting to stall the economy and drive up unemployment.

Then the Republican candidate starts on the same old b.s. about how Obama wrecked the economy and his supposed weakness led to a war in the middle east

....and the Republican Candidate for President coasts off the Winds of War and everyone's fear and misery, sails right into the White House

Could it happen? Sure.

Could Republicans be so cunning, vicious, underhanded, two-faced and manipulative? Could they push for a war and hope to push the economy into the ditch, just to gain the White House?

Sure.

I wouldn't put anything past those rats.

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I believe Iran will try very hard not to provoke a war as they would prefer 4 more years of Obama. They will try to cool things off from now until November and make Obama's negotiations appear to be making some progress. They already see that they screwed-up when they caused Carter to lose the 1980 election. Carter might have been re-elected if he had been perceived as the person who got back the hostages in time for the election.


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wcushman wrote:

I believe Iran will try very hard not to provoke a war as they would prefer 4 more years of Obama. They will try to cool things off from now until November and make Obama's negotiations appear to be making some progress. They already see that they screwed-up when they caused Carter to lose the 1980 election. Carter might have been re-elected if he had been perceived as the person who got back the hostages in time for the election.

You might be right about the 1980 election and Carter.

PS: to be clear to my previous comments, Republicans can't actually start a war with Iran, but I think they would benefit from one. I'm sure Israel knows if they strike against Iran, they may help elect a Republican. But they will do things not with that in mind, but with their own interests in mind.

But if there are Israeli strikes against Iran, then my guess is the chances of the next President being Republican go up a lot.

And Iran might back off hoping to see Obama re-elected, like you said.

Watch and we'll see what actually happens, I guess.

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A sitting president is very likely to be re-elected during a war if he is perceived to be making progress. Once the war is old and the US itself is not being assaulted, it is a different story (Johnson 1968).


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If you were Satan, who would you attack, in this day and age? There is no one else to go after, other than the United States. -Santorum

Who is this particular satan? and what does he want? Are we the only ones Satan has not gotten?
Does the Pentagon know about this?

should they?


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ricinro wrote:

If you were Satan, who would you attack, in this day and age? There is no one else to go after, other than the United States. -Santorum

Who is this particular satan? and what does he want? Are we the only ones Satan has not gotten?
Does the Pentagon know about this?

should they?

Sounds like a witch hunt to me. 96% of the world's people are "other than the United States".
- 666


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When I was born, the world's population was 2.3 billion and now is about 7.0 billion. If we had kept the population level while making the same productivity improvements during that time, everyone in the world would now be wealthy on average. Of course, they would still be focused on the fact that the 1% are unreasonably wealthy.

For example, I read today that Jennifer Aniston bought a house for $13.5 million, spent about $29 million redesigning it with an architect, and does not use it. Why can't I have houses to not use? There needs to be redistribution so that I can have things to not use just like the 1%. But, maybe the function of the house was to be her $42 million hobby because she just enjoyed redesigning it, not using it.

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I would like to be like Mitt Romney or John McCain and have 5 or 7 houses I did not use.

Also, Jennifer Aniston looks lonely nowadays. I wonder if the wife would mind if I hooked up with Jen-Jen?

Also this Satan guy sure seems to be causing a lot of trouble. Someone cut me off in traffic and flipped me the bird this morning. I wonder if Satan was somehow involved....

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wcushman wrote:

TimBitts649 wrote:

wcushman wrote:

What I find scary is that Muslims escape from their miserable societies to enjoy greater freedom in the West. They were made miserable by the attributes of their Islamic religion whether Sunni, Shiite or other form. Then they insist on instilling those attributes, such as Sharia Law, in their newly adopted homes, but the eventual result will be the misery they sought to escape. They do not understand that their misery is a product of their horrid intolerable religion which is incapable of co-existing within a secular society.

For example:

Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- A suicide bomber targeted a funeral in northwest Pakistan on Sunday, killing at least 14 people and wounding 37 others, officials said.

...skip...

The Tehrik-e-Taliban, or Pakistani Taliban, claimed responsibility for the blast.

"We carried out the attack," said Asim Mehsud, the Taliban spokesman for Pakistan's South Waziristan region. "We will also target upcoming rallies of the Awami National Party, as it is a secular party. We will also target any other rallies conducted by secular political parties in the future."

From: http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/11/world/asia/pakist...

The Born-Again Fundamentalist Christians in the US can only jealously dream of having such control over the population of the US.

I was having a beer with a friend of mine last night, from the Sudan in Africa. He's in his early 50s, like me. He talked about the civil war there that has gone on since a couple of years before he was born. Of course it was about religion....Islam vs Christianity...dominating the other group and keeping all the oil money.....He lost relatives in that war, and he said "I wish George Bush would have imposed a lot more democracy on countries around the world. People in Canada and America have no idea how lucky they are. Canada and America are fair countries".

50+ years of war? No, I agree with him. I can't really imagine what that's like.

Surprising though he is a devout born-again Christian and has suffered at the hands of Muslims, he only speaks of forgiveness and mutual respect when the topic of Muslims comes up. A very fine man.

The problem is that only a tiny fraction of a population can enslave the remainder by several methods. Fear is used extensively. I think you will find absolute dictators at the top of every theocracy. Karl Marx talked about religion as an opiate used by government. At the time, Opium was a sedative, and his remark is not properly understood today. But, he meant that government likes to use religion as a tool in enforcing its will upon the people. Sharia Law is especially useful for that purpose. No equivalent exists in Christianity. However, good and productive individuals often exist, even within the confines of such a society, and in fact, may be the vast majority. But, the rulers of the society are sufficiently powerful to stifle the wishes of the people. If an independent poll could have been taken in Germany in 1942 as WWII reached full intensity, I suspect the vast majority of Germans would have disapproved of Hitlers job performance, but it hardly mattered. 25,000 German soldiers were executed basically for failing to perform as Hitler demanded, which probably indicated they had some doubts about the direction in which Hitler was leading Germany. Others with similar ideas probably decided they were more likely to survive by continuing to follow his lead and avoided expressing their personal ideas.

Out of 100 people anywhere, 97 are sheep, and 3 are wolves, both good and bad. If the bad wolves win, dictatorship follows.

One thing I never liked about the Bible was how in the New Testament Christians were encouraged to be sheep.

No thank, I see the Wily Coyote lining up the barbeque already. I don't look good with an apple in my mouth...

Beep beep.

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It's Not Obama's Fault That Crude Oil Prices Have Increased


The time has come to demonstrate that ZENN is on the right path Romney/Ryan 2012

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My grandkids won't know what it means to put gas or diesel in a car.

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whiskeythief wrote:

Cabinet name changes coming :

• Department of Energy = Department of Oil, Coal, and death.
• Department of Interior = Department of coke parties and industry giveaways
• Environmental Protection Agency = Dept. of Air and Water Poisoning.
• Department of Commerce = Dept. of Tax Cuts for the Rich, and Fuck you if you're poor.
• Department of the Treasury = Wall Street's slush fund.
• Department of Labor = Dept of Perpetual Unemployment and Promotion of Employee Abuse.
• Department of Health & Human Services = Department of Death and Insurance Co. Fellating.
• Department of Homeland Security = Dept of Destroying the Middle Class.
• National Aeronautics & Space Administration = Dept. of Science Denial and Misinformation.
• Department of Agriculture = Dept of Monsanto and ADM.
• Department of Defense = Department of Perpetual War.
• Department of State = Department of Starting Perpetual Wars and Subjugating Brown People.
• Department of Justice = Department of Justice for Money.
• Department of Education = Gone, because an intelligent and educated populace keeps people from voting republican.
• Department of Transportation = Dept. of Shitty Roads and Crumbling Infrastructure.
• Federal Reserve = Gone... What's so bad about frequent economic depressions and wild swings in the boom/bust cycle?

and should a republican be elected... I've fixed your list.

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For those who believes the BS coming from Washington that we got an improvement in the job sector:
http://gainspainscapital.com/?p=1508


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eggdescrambler wrote:


For those who believes the BS coming from Washington that we got an improvement in the job sector:
http://gainspainscapital.com/?p=1508

So you think the BLS is reported false numbers?
http://www.bls.gov/cps/duration.htm
Effective with data for January 2011, the Current Population Survey (CPS) was modified to allow respondents to report longer durations of unemployment. Prior to that time, the CPS accepted unemployment durations of up to 2 years; any response of unemployment duration greater than this was entered as 2 years. Starting with data for January 2011, respondents were able to report unemployment durations of up to 5 years. This change affected estimates of average (mean) duration of unemployment. The change did not affect the estimate of the number of unemployed persons and did not affect other data series on the duration of unemployment.

There was an unprecedented rise in the number of persons with very long durations of unemployment during the recent labor market downturn. Nearly 11 percent of unemployed persons had been looking for work for about 2 years or more in the fourth quarter of 2010. Because of this increase, BLS and the Census Bureau updated the CPS instrument to accept reported unemployment durations of up to 5 years. This upper bound was selected to allow reporting of considerably longer durations while limiting the effect of erroneous extreme values (outliers).

Egg, your link has this on the page:

To wit , my clients MADE money in 2008 outperforming every mutual fund on the planet as well as 99% of investment legends.

We also outperformed the market by 15% during the Euro Crisis of 2010. And since the latest round of the Euro Crisis began in July 2011, we’ve locked in not 10, not 20, but 35 STRAIGHT WINNERS including gains of 12%, 14%, 16% and 18%,

Do you really prefer to heed the opinion of a site seeking paying subscribers rather than the Bureau of Labor Statistics?

Here is something worth considering:
Greece is NOT a cautionary tale for the United States


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Justice Dept. Blocks Texas on Photo ID for Voting


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eestatic wrote:

Justice Dept. Blocks Texas on Photo ID for Voting

Just start using Biometric ID technology and a lot of this nonsense goes away.

I sympathize with both arguments here. It seems reasonable to provide ID to vote, similar to using a library card, credit card, etc, but I view voter fraud "illegals voting" as a non-existent problem...

The Virginia legislation — a solution in search of a problem — is purely political, designed to give Republicans an edge in a swing state ahead of the fall elections by making voting more difficult for minorities, the elderly and youths — groups that tend disproportionately to lack IDs and to vote for Democrats. And Virginia Republicans barely pretend otherwise.

This is a policy issue politicized by the right.


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Everyone 18 and older is going to have a photo ID. It is needed to drive, fly, apply for jobs, receive treatment under Medicare, and to receive Social Security benefits. I would bet it is also required for food stamps, welfare and Medicaid although I do not have personal experience with these. That is pretty much everyone who is eligible to vote with the possible exception of the underground economy. So, I do not believe having a photo ID is even a tiny hurdle for casting a proper vote once in each election where one is qualified.


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Mitt Romney's endorsement by Jeff Foxworthy inspired John Stewart to start.."If you X, you might be a Romney" jokes, insert yours here! My favorite so far:

If you have a car in the front yard because you can't fit all your Cadillacs in your garage, you might be a Romney.

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