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Sun, 11 Sep 2011, 6:59pm #571
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Hey HEEMan,
What say you?

wasmaba wrote:

HEEman wrote:

What he should have said was. Those that knocked down these buildings will be captured and then the liberals will do everything in their power to protect them from any punishment, make sure they have full legal protection as a US citizen has, be tried in US courts as a citizen would be, have 3 square meals a day, cable TV and internet access, and many years of imprisonment on the US taxpayers dime. The liberals will also make sure that these peeps will never be made to give up any information that would aid in their cohorts being captured.

A liberal would lobby for restoration of habeas corpus and use the courts for justice.
I was lucky enough to be sitting in the Supreme Court when the decision restoring habeas corpus was read. One year earlier I lobbied in DC with the ACLU for its restoration. Supreme Court restores habeas corpus, strikes down key part of Military Commissions Act

A liberal would capture, interrogate, arrest and then use the justice system to prosecute and convict international terrorists using all available legal tools. Warsame was held on a U.S. Navy ship for two months and interrogated by the High-Value Interrogation Group

A liberal would use all the nations intelligence assets to locate Al Queda leaders and then direct superior military assets to terminate same. Bin Laden was terminated.

A liberal would empower a hybrid agency that combines the best of police, intelligence services and military to target and terminate terrorists, efficiently as possible.
The president has given JSOC the rare authority to select individuals for its kill list — and then to kill, rather than capture, them.

A liberal would listen to his counter terror adviser.



Are these the "liberals" you are referring to HEEman? LOL

Perhaps labels are meaningless. I am a liberal, progressive, conservative. I am a member of the ACLU but do not always agree with their positions. I am glad Bin Laden is freaking dead.

A non-liberal would...


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Sun, 11 Sep 2011, 10:50pm #572
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wasmaba wrote:

Hey HEEMan,
What say you?

wasmaba wrote:

HEEman wrote:

What he should have said was. Those that knocked down these buildings will be captured and then the liberals will do everything in their power to protect them from any punishment, make sure they have full legal protection as a US citizen has, be tried in US courts as a citizen would be, have 3 square meals a day, cable TV and internet access, and many years of imprisonment on the US taxpayers dime. The liberals will also make sure that these peeps will never be made to give up any information that would aid in their cohorts being captured.

A liberal would lobby for restoration of habeas corpus and use the courts for justice.
I was lucky enough to be sitting in the Supreme Court when the decision restoring habeas corpus was read. One year earlier I lobbied in DC with the ACLU for its restoration. Supreme Court restores habeas corpus, strikes down key part of Military Commissions Act

A liberal would capture, interrogate, arrest and then use the justice system to prosecute and convict international terrorists using all available legal tools. Warsame was held on a U.S. Navy ship for two months and interrogated by the High-Value Interrogation Group

A liberal would use all the nations intelligence assets to locate Al Queda leaders and then direct superior military assets to terminate same. Bin Laden was terminated.

A liberal would empower a hybrid agency that combines the best of police, intelligence services and military to target and terminate terrorists, efficiently as possible.
The president has given JSOC the rare authority to select individuals for its kill list — and then to kill, rather than capture, them.

A liberal would listen to his counter terror adviser.



Are these the "liberals" you are referring to HEEman? LOL

Perhaps labels are meaningless. I am a liberal, progressive, conservative. I am a member of the ACLU but do not always agree with their positions. I am glad Bin Laden is freaking dead.

A non-liberal would...

1. Somehow it doesn't surprise me that you are a member of the ACLU.

2.The liberals like to punish our military guys for their interrogation techniques (which is NOT torture), more than they want to punish the terrorists. The liberal media was in a feeding frenzy after pictures surfaced showing terrorists with underwear on their heads and our military guys having a little fun cup stacking them. How great it was for you liberals cuz you could cut down the evil US military and take out that bastard Rumsfeld at the same time.

3.A liberal would make sure that we don't have any "superior military assets" because they would view this as an extension of the evil US military industrial complex (you know that group of dumbasses that are defending our eeeeeeevil oil interests around the world),and cut funding to it at every chance they could.

4. Oh yeah I forgot, obama gave the order for our brave Seal team to take out bin ladin. Therefor obama gets credit for, now how did you put it, "direct superior military assets to terminate same. Bin Laden was terminated". And then he and his lib friends crowed about what an effective leader obama was for about a month. Wow he is the man. And now he is out trying to cut military spending again. LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

5. Labels are not meaningless. You are a liberal. You are a progressive. You are a member of the ACLU. You are glad bin ladin is dead (wow you are a blood thirsty war monger too). Wear it with pride baby.

Last edited Mon, 12 Sep 2011, 12:06am by HEEman


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Mon, 12 Sep 2011, 12:03am #573
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https://mail.google.com/mail/h/1bv9e1zwl3b0x/?view=att&th=1324a953765c1684&attid=0.1&disp=emb&zw

Hmmmmm. Written by a Muslim. What kind of plans does obama have for us? Change we can believe in maybe?


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Mon, 12 Sep 2011, 1:01am #574
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HEEman wrote:

wasmaba wrote:

Hey HEEMan,
What say you?

wasmaba wrote:

HEEman wrote:

What he should have said was. Those that knocked down these buildings will be captured and then the liberals will do everything in their power to protect them from any punishment, make sure they have full legal protection as a US citizen has, be tried in US courts as a citizen would be, have 3 square meals a day, cable TV and internet access, and many years of imprisonment on the US taxpayers dime. The liberals will also make sure that these peeps will never be made to give up any information that would aid in their cohorts being captured.

A liberal would lobby for restoration of habeas corpus and use the courts for justice.
I was lucky enough to be sitting in the Supreme Court when the decision restoring habeas corpus was read. One year earlier I lobbied in DC with the ACLU for its restoration. Supreme Court restores habeas corpus, strikes down key part of Military Commissions Act

A liberal would capture, interrogate, arrest and then use the justice system to prosecute and convict international terrorists using all available legal tools. Warsame was held on a U.S. Navy ship for two months and interrogated by the High-Value Interrogation Group

A liberal would use all the nations intelligence assets to locate Al Queda leaders and then direct superior military assets to terminate same. Bin Laden was terminated.

A liberal would empower a hybrid agency that combines the best of police, intelligence services and military to target and terminate terrorists, efficiently as possible.
The president has given JSOC the rare authority to select individuals for its kill list — and then to kill, rather than capture, them.

A liberal would listen to his counter terror adviser.



Are these the "liberals" you are referring to HEEman? LOL

Perhaps labels are meaningless. I am a liberal, progressive, conservative. I am a member of the ACLU but do not always agree with their positions. I am glad Bin Laden is freaking dead.

A non-liberal would...

1. Somehow it doesn't surprise me that you are a member of the ACLU.

Yes, a proud member for 20 plus years. I also support the Southern Poverty Law Center which helped take out the KKK and other Race Supremacist Hate groups by taking their assets thru the courts. :) Something I assume you support.

2.The liberals like to punish our military guys for their interrogation techniques (which is NOT torture), more than they want to punish the terrorists.

That is a fucking lie and you should be ashamed of yourself for making said claim.

The liberal media was in a feeding frenzy after pictures surfaced showing terrorists with underwear on their heads and our military guys having a little fun cup stacking them. How great it was for you liberals cuz you could cut down the evil US military and take out that bastard Rumsfeld at the same time.
You obviously were never in the military. The veterans I speak to tell me that they are ashamed of Abu Ghraib.

3.A liberal would make sure that we don't have any "superior military assets" because they would view this as an extension of the evil US military industrial complex (you know that group of dumbasses that are defending our eeeeeeevil oil interests around the world),and cut funding to it at every chance they could.

Eh, perhaps you should review history a little bit... a few biographies of "liberal" Senators and White House Cabinet members over the years. Your inner NITWIT is on display, again.

4. Oh yeah I forgot, obama gave the order for our brave Seal team to take out bin ladin. Therefor obama gets credit for, now how did you put it, "direct superior military assets to terminate same. Bin Laden was terminated". And then he and his lib friends crowed about what an effective leader obama was for about a month. Wow he is the man. And now he is out trying to cut military spending again. LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Yes, Obama got Osama. Does not mean that McCain would not have... but the historical fact is Bush had over 7 years and failed, miserably.

5. Labels are not meaningless. You are a liberal. You are a progressive. You are a member of the ACLU. You are glad bin ladin is dead (wow you are a blood thirsty war monger too). Wear it with pride baby.
Oh, Don't worry, I do wear it with pride.



Be proud HEEman, you are probably a Neanderthal!
Get in touch with your inner neanderthal

It is clear you are not a complete moron but you are dishonest. Argue/make your points honestly or...


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Mon, 12 Sep 2011, 4:17am #575
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As a former member I was ashamed at the torture of possible enemy pers. When the Japanese waterboarded in WWII we hung every last one of them for war crimes. When I got in though we still believed in the Geneva Convention. Many of us medics were card carrying members. http://www.cac.mil/CardInfoGeneva1.html

People will tell you anything after 30 seconds of waterboarding. Let alone 30 minutes on 30 off for over 12 hours a day. Not a great interrogation technique as people who know nothing will make shit up to stop being tortured.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58

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Mon, 12 Sep 2011, 6:45am #576
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Nemo77 wrote:

As a former member I was ashamed at the torture of possible enemy pers. When the Japanese waterboarded in WWII we hung every last one of them for war crimes. When I got in though we still believed in the Geneva Convention. Many of us medics were card carrying members. http://www.cac.mil/CardInfoGeneva1.html

People will tell you anything after 30 seconds of waterboarding. Let alone 30 minutes on 30 off for over 12 hours a day. Not a great interrogation technique as people who know nothing will make shit up to stop being tortured.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58

Amen to that.

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Mon, 12 Sep 2011, 6:51am #577
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HeeMan, reading your stuff, it seems you have a strong need to hate someone, based on their political beliefs.

Where does that come from?

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Mon, 12 Sep 2011, 10:27am #578
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TimBitts649 wrote:

HeeMan, reading your stuff, it seems you have a strong need to hate someone, based on their political beliefs.

Where does that come from?
LOLOL well I'm starting to think it comes from talking to idiot liars all day. (not you of course timbits but the other idiot liars), You sound like you are a trained psychologist so why don't you tell me.

Last edited Mon, 12 Sep 2011, 11:09am by HEEman


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Mon, 12 Sep 2011, 10:34am #579
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Nemo77 wrote:

As a former member I was ashamed at the torture of possible enemy pers. When the Japanese waterboarded in WWII we hung every last one of them for war crimes. When I got in though we still believed in the Geneva Convention. Many of us medics were card carrying members. http://www.cac.mil/CardInfoGeneva1.html

People will tell you anything after 30 seconds of waterboarding. Let alone 30 minutes on 30 off for over 12 hours a day. Not a great interrogation technique as people who know nothing will make shit up to stop being tortured.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58
We have already had this discussion dumbass. Waterboarding is not torture, cup stacking prisoners is not torture, putting underwear on terrorists heads is not torture. While I wouldn't necessarily be proud of the last too I certainly wouldn't make such a big deal out of it like the ACLU loser's and the liberal media did, WITH GLEE.

Here is what is torture in my book. Pulling fingernails, thumbscrews, well let me just give you a list.

1. Burning
2. Electric Shock
3. Sexual Abuse
4. Psychiatric & Drug Abuse
5. Force-feeding
6. Savage beatings
7. Freezing and Exposing
8. Water Dungeon
9. Forced Abortions
10. “Death Bed”
11. “Tiger Bench”
12. “Hell Confinement”
13. “Small Cage”
14. Forced to Jump from Tall Building
15. “Flying an Airplane“
16. “Squat“
17. “Handcuffed in a Painful Position”
18. “Tied up”
19. Sitting on “Triangle-ridged Iron Plank”
20. “Carrying a Sword on the Back”
21. “Chain”
22. “Tied to a Bed”
23. “Tortured under a Bed”
24. “Tied to Trees”
25. “Solitary Confinement”
26. “Rope Tying”
27. “Hanging over the Head”
28. “Hanging by Two Thumbs”
29. “Hanging Upside Down”
30. Hung Up for Extended Period of Time
31. “Dog Bite”
32. “Snake Bite”
33. “Cutting of Flesh”
34. “Impaling the Fingers and Toes with Bamboo Stick”
35. “Needle Piercing” and “Toe Smashing”
36. Cigarette Burn
37. The Rampant Spread of Scabies
38. Forced to Sit in a “Sewage Pot”
39. Garbage Stuffed into the Mouth
40. Phlegm Poured into the Mouth
41. Force-Feeding with Urine
42. Force-Feeding with Feces
43. Deprivation of Sleep
44. Restricting the Use of the Toilet
45. Prohibiting the Use of Sanitary Napkins
46. “Covering a Shed” or Suffocation

Pay special attention to number 45 cuz I am considering asking B to do this to some of you if you keep posting your lies.

Last edited Mon, 12 Sep 2011, 11:08am by HEEman


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Mon, 12 Sep 2011, 11:03am #580
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wasmaba wrote:

HEEman wrote:

wasmaba wrote:

Hey HEEMan,
What say you?

wasmaba wrote:

HEEman wrote:

What he should have said was. Those that knocked down these buildings will be captured and then the liberals will do everything in their power to protect them from any punishment, make sure they have full legal protection as a US citizen has, be tried in US courts as a citizen would be, have 3 square meals a day, cable TV and internet access, and many years of imprisonment on the US taxpayers dime. The liberals will also make sure that these peeps will never be made to give up any information that would aid in their cohorts being captured.

A liberal would lobby for restoration of habeas corpus and use the courts for justice.
I was lucky enough to be sitting in the Supreme Court when the decision restoring habeas corpus was read. One year earlier I lobbied in DC with the ACLU for its restoration. Supreme Court restores habeas corpus, strikes down key part of Military Commissions Act

A liberal would capture, interrogate, arrest and then use the justice system to prosecute and convict international terrorists using all available legal tools. Warsame was held on a U.S. Navy ship for two months and interrogated by the High-Value Interrogation Group

A liberal would use all the nations intelligence assets to locate Al Queda leaders and then direct superior military assets to terminate same. Bin Laden was terminated.

A liberal would empower a hybrid agency that combines the best of police, intelligence services and military to target and terminate terrorists, efficiently as possible.
The president has given JSOC the rare authority to select individuals for its kill list — and then to kill, rather than capture, them.

A liberal would listen to his counter terror adviser.



Are these the "liberals" you are referring to HEEman? LOL

Perhaps labels are meaningless. I am a liberal, progressive, conservative. I am a member of the ACLU but do not always agree with their positions. I am glad Bin Laden is freaking dead.

A non-liberal would...

1. Somehow it doesn't surprise me that you are a member of the ACLU.

Yes, a proud member for 20 plus years. I also support the Southern Poverty Law Center which helped take out the KKK and other Race Supremacist Hate groups by taking their assets thru the courts. :) Something I assume you support.

2.The liberals like to punish our military guys for their interrogation techniques (which is NOT torture), more than they want to punish the terrorists.

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The liberal media was in a feeding frenzy after pictures surfaced showing terrorists with underwear on their heads and our military guys having a little fun cup stacking them. How great it was for you liberals cuz you could cut down the evil US military and take out that bastard Rumsfeld at the same time.
You obviously were never in the military. The veterans I speak to tell me that they are ashamed of Abu Ghraib.

3.A liberal would make sure that we don't have any "superior military assets" because they would view this as an extension of the evil US military industrial complex (you know that group of dumbasses that are defending our eeeeeeevil oil interests around the world),and cut funding to it at every chance they could.

Eh, perhaps you should review history a little bit... a few biographies of "liberal" Senators and White House Cabinet members over the years. Your inner NITWIT is on display, again.

4. Oh yeah I forgot, obama gave the order for our brave Seal team to take out bin ladin. Therefor obama gets credit for, now how did you put it, "direct superior military assets to terminate same. Bin Laden was terminated". And then he and his lib friends crowed about what an effective leader obama was for about a month. Wow he is the man. And now he is out trying to cut military spending again. LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Yes, Obama got Osama. Does not mean that McCain would not have... but the historical fact is Bush had over 7 years and failed, miserably.

5. Labels are not meaningless. You are a liberal. You are a progressive. You are a member of the ACLU. You are glad bin ladin is dead (wow you are a blood thirsty war monger too). Wear it with pride baby.
Oh, Don't worry, I do wear it with pride.



Be proud HEEman, you are probably a Neanderthal!
Get in touch with your inner neanderthal

It is clear you are not a complete moron but you are dishonest. Argue/make your points honestly or...

1. It's good that you helped take out the racist groups wasmaba. Do you really assume that I am a member or supporter of these groups, REALLY? I know you are smart but you are a dumbass is you think this. And then in the next paragraph you went on to talk about lies being told. You are starting to sound like the race baiter lensman so stop please.

2. Here is how the Abu Ghraib should have been handled here. Try to stay with me on this cuz I know you have great respect for our armed forces guys. As soon as the media got access to these photos they should have exposed them. The military leadership should have immediately gone over there and given the guards a TALKIN TO about cup stacking the terrorists. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE END OF IT RIGHT THERE. Anything above and beyond this should be viewed as anti American bashing. Anyone that kept dragging this out into the view of the world should have been condemned as traitors and be made to wear underwear and cup stacked in their media offices or the capital building. Remember we are at war and we have a deadly and shifty enemy. Continuing to run these stories over and over and over and over again only gives aid to the enemy. This empowers them and helps them in their fight against our great military men that you and I both love. BELIEVE IT.


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Mon, 12 Sep 2011, 11:15am #581
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http://waterboarding.org/torture_definition

Heeman, I didn't know you wrote a book about torture. Add waterboarding to your list. Fact is that it is torture and it is against the law. Take a break for a moment and please reconsider your unconditional apologizing for the Bush administration.


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Mon, 12 Sep 2011, 11:24am #582
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HEEman,
Imagine if you could tell the difference between a bilion decent muslims and a few thousand right wing, fundamentalist muslims. Imagine, in your responsibilities to win hearts and minds, that you led by example with strict orders to treat captives by OUR highest standards. The odds are that terrorists would never have a recruiting tool and they alone would lose respect.


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Mon, 12 Sep 2011, 11:27am #583
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ricinro wrote:

http://waterboarding.org/torture_definition

Heeman, I didn't know you wrote a book about torture. Add waterboarding to your list. Fact is that it is torture and it is against the law. Take a break for a moment and please reconsider your unconditional apologizing for the Bush administration.
Rick I do not do this to cover for Bush. There are plenty of things I have complained about him in the past so labeling me an unconditional defender of him is not accurate. I do this to defend our military guys and our country from our enemies. Anyone that keeps talking about how bad our troops were is only giving ammo to our enemies. The fact is there has never been a military in the history of the world that has acted as upright as our guys do. As the father of one of our great ones, please reconsider this.

And no waterboarding is NOT torture.


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Mon, 12 Sep 2011, 11:33am #584
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ricinro wrote:

HEEman,
Imagine if you could tell the difference between a bilion decent muslims and a few thousand right wing, fundamentalist muslims. Imagine, in your responsibilities to win hearts and minds, that you led by example with strict orders to treat captives by OUR highest standards. The odds are that terrorists would never have a recruiting tool and they alone would lose respect.
Rick gosh dang it stay with me on this one. I know that we treat these prisoners far better than any other country would, period. I know that there were a few examples of slight mis treatment that was not in line with the normal cushy treatment that we gave them. It doesn't matter that our guys live up to the highest standard of care 99.9999999% of the time because if the screw up just one time the liberals will run the story over and over and over and over (YES JUST LIKE WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW), until everyone thinks this is the norm. This is not the norm!!!!!!. Why do the American haters think this is the norm???????? Is a little light starting to come on in your head?

Let me add one more thing. If one of our troops were held captive by the terrorist's would you rather these terrorist be ones that have viewed our constant media coverage of Abu ghraib or terrorists that viewed film of the normal chushy treatment of terrorist prisoners? Think about this please.

Last edited Mon, 12 Sep 2011, 11:39am by HEEman


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Mon, 12 Sep 2011, 12:46pm #585
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HEEman wrote:

ricinro wrote:

HEEman,
Imagine if you could tell the difference between a bilion decent muslims and a few thousand right wing, fundamentalist muslims. Imagine, in your responsibilities to win hearts and minds, that you led by example with strict orders to treat captives by OUR highest standards. The odds are that terrorists would never have a recruiting tool and they alone would lose respect.
Rick gosh dang it stay with me on this one. I know that we treat these prisoners far better than any other country would, period. I know that there were a few examples of slight mis treatment that was not in line with the normal cushy treatment that we gave them. It doesn't matter that our guys live up to the highest standard of care 99.9999999% of the time because if the screw up just one time the liberals will run the story over and over and over and over (YES JUST LIKE WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW), until everyone thinks this is the norm. This is not the norm!!!!!!. Why do the American haters think this is the norm???????? Is a little light starting to come on in your head?

Let me add one more thing. If one of our troops were held captive by the terrorist's would you rather these terrorist be ones that have viewed our constant media coverage of Abu ghraib or terrorists that viewed film of the normal chushy treatment of terrorist prisoners? Think about this please.

dude, this isn't about what your "liberal" bogeyman does (which is such a retarded viewpoint), its that if al queda or whomever gets ahold of info that we're treating prisoners badly (like, abu ghrab or whereever) they publicize the hell out of it. once it gets out, then the 24 hour news networks (which have a lot of airtime to fill) get it and run with it. including your beloved faux news. if you think the religious nutters we're fighting are liberal, you're the dumbest mofo on the face of the earth.

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Oh, Heeman, you are so complicated. You are saying our troops benefit by treating the terrorists well ("cushy" you say). You are basically in agreement with most here, you just object to the media frenzy and want to find a guilty verdict for liberals and reporters.

Ric and I agree with you on the first part, but we are wise and you are not. We know that if you muzzle the media, the jerks in the military will have there way, and the good people in the military will not see justice. It takes vigilance to keep up our standards. This includes a nosy media. If the brass didn't try to whitewash the expose and dealt with it, including higher ups, the way they should, there would be no media frenzy.

You just have trouble with the shades of gray that it takes to keep a democracy running. Reporters have to call it out when they see wrongdoing. It's always been messy and uncomfortable.

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Okay, you guys sucked me into this, so don't bitch. Ric, do you understand who you are citing, with that link? Come on, it is a person that decided he didn't like waterboarding, before he actually fully understood the technique. He says he personally experienced it and would like willing participants to do the same. If it is nearly as horrendous as he would like you to believe, why would he want to do it to other people, after his personal experience? I don't see where he says he was physically or mentally hurt or damaged. I have to qualify that , saying I did not read everything on his website. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Have any of you listened to the things that have been found out, and those that were prevented, as a rsult of waterboarding? I know you would not want to see the deaths of more innocent citizen's, as a result of not taking all measure available, to prevent that result. I have to agree that the media has to fill 24 hours a day, but there is a point that dredging up past offenses, that have been or are being prosecuted, is poking the bee's nest, to a point of inflamming the terrorists and putting those innocent military and civilians in jeopardy. Remember, this is IMO. So, just my viewpoint, not argument or accusations.


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supamark wrote:

HEEman wrote:

ricinro wrote:

HEEman,
Imagine if you could tell the difference between a bilion decent muslims and a few thousand right wing, fundamentalist muslims. Imagine, in your responsibilities to win hearts and minds, that you led by example with strict orders to treat captives by OUR highest standards. The odds are that terrorists would never have a recruiting tool and they alone would lose respect.
Rick gosh dang it stay with me on this one. I know that we treat these prisoners far better than any other country would, period. I know that there were a few examples of slight mis treatment that was not in line with the normal cushy treatment that we gave them. It doesn't matter that our guys live up to the highest standard of care 99.9999999% of the time because if the screw up just one time the liberals will run the story over and over and over and over (YES JUST LIKE WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW), until everyone thinks this is the norm. This is not the norm!!!!!!. Why do the American haters think this is the norm???????? Is a little light starting to come on in your head?

Let me add one more thing. If one of our troops were held captive by the terrorist's would you rather these terrorist be ones that have viewed our constant media coverage of Abu ghraib or terrorists that viewed film of the normal chushy treatment of terrorist prisoners? Think about this please.

dude, this isn't about what your "liberal" bogeyman does (which is such a retarded viewpoint), its that if al queda or whomever gets ahold of info that we're treating prisoners badly (like, abu ghrab or whereever) they publicize the hell out of it. once it gets out, then the 24 hour news networks (which have a lot of airtime to fill) get it and run with it. including your beloved faux news. if you think the religious nutters we're fighting are liberal, you're the dumbest mofo on the face of the earth.

Supermark, you are the liberal boogeyman you are talking about. It is intellectual liberals like yourself and America haters, not like yourself, that suck up the constant 24/7 liberal media. This was fueled of course by the do the whatever we can to get Bush the hell out of office agenda. I don't know how you could see it any other way. So the "they" you are talking about is you supermark. Anyone that keeps bringing this up is the "they". Wasmaba brought this up earlier so he is the "they". ARE YOU FRICKIN READING ME DUMBASS. It is always the liberals that keep bringing this up. Of course this makes our military and our country look not so good. WHY DO THEY KEEP BRINGING THIS UP? You never hear conservatives complain about how the terrorists were treated in prison. It is the "they" that are more concerned about how our enemies are treated. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS.


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eeinterested wrote:

Oh, Heeman, you are so complicated. You are saying our troops benefit by treating the terrorists well ("cushy" you say). You are basically in agreement with most here, you just object to the media frenzy and want to find a guilty verdict for liberals and reporters.

Ric and I agree with you on the first part, but we are wise and you are not. We know that if you muzzle the media, the jerks in the military will have there way, and the good people in the military will not see justice. It takes vigilance to keep up our standards. This includes a nosy media. If the brass didn't try to whitewash the expose and dealt with it, including higher ups, the way they should, there would be no media frenzy.

You just have trouble with the shades of gray that it takes to keep a democracy running. Reporters have to call it out when they see wrongdoing. It's always been messy and uncomfortable.
You say that I am complicated and then you say that I have a hard time seeing shades of gray. Wut the hell eeinterested. My position is really NOT complicated at all so try to stay with me o wise one. If you argue the position of our enemies you are their friend. If you are the friend of our enemy you are our enemy, even if your too stupid to realize it. We are at war with the enemy. Why would you want to help them? This is about as complicated as a box of rocks. Probably why the liberals don't get it because they are dumber than a box of rocks.


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Okay, you guys sucked me into this, so don't bitch. Ric, do you understand who you are citing, with that link? Come on, it is a person that decided he didn't like waterboarding, before he actually fully understood the technique. He says he personally experienced it and would like willing participants to do the same. If it is nearly as horrendous as he would like you to believe, why would he want to do it to other people, after his personal experience? I don't see where he says he was physically or mentally hurt or damaged. I have to qualify that , saying I did not read everything on his website. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Have any of you listened to the things that have been found out, and those that were prevented, as a rsult of waterboarding? I know you would not want to see the deaths of more innocent citizen's, as a result of not taking all measure available, to prevent that result. I have to agree that the media has to fill 24 hours a day, but there is a point that dredging up past offenses, that have been or are being prosecuted, is poking the bee's nest, to a point of inflamming the terrorists and putting those innocent military and civilians in jeopardy. Remember, this is IMO. So, just my viewpoint, not argument or accusations.
Dredging up past offenses is exactly right. Who is it that keeps bringing this up? THE LIBERALS. There can be no doubt about this.


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Now that's funny. HeeHawMan thinks he knows more about pain and torture than an experienced military medic. As a civilian medic who's worked with some of those guys who've come back from Afghanistan, I can tell you, they've seen it all. I'd love to hear what experience HeeHawMan has had (other than his own fantasies) that makes him think he's qualified to pronounce that water-boarding isn't torture.


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Good point Sean. There are always people who just got rounded up, wrong place, wrong time.

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Where does one go to be water-boarded? I would like to see for myself how terrible it is.

In the meantime, this Chinese cure for prostate problems, which I will not attempt, probably should be included in Heeman's list of things that constitute torture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdJZnFccVnM


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HEEman wrote:

TimBitts649 wrote:

HeeMan, reading your stuff, it seems you have a strong need to hate someone, based on their political beliefs.

Where does that come from?
LOLOL well I'm starting to think it comes from talking to idiot liars all day. (not you of course timbits but the other idiot liars), You sound like you are a trained psychologist so why don't you tell me.

Did you wet the bed, as a youngster?

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#47-I'm not usually in favour of torture, but I make an exception, by reading this thread.

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HEEman wrote:

supamark wrote:

HEEman wrote:

ricinro wrote:

HEEman,
Imagine if you could tell the difference between a bilion decent muslims and a few thousand right wing, fundamentalist muslims. Imagine, in your responsibilities to win hearts and minds, that you led by example with strict orders to treat captives by OUR highest standards. The odds are that terrorists would never have a recruiting tool and they alone would lose respect.
Rick gosh dang it stay with me on this one. I know that we treat these prisoners far better than any other country would, period. I know that there were a few examples of slight mis treatment that was not in line with the normal cushy treatment that we gave them. It doesn't matter that our guys live up to the highest standard of care 99.9999999% of the time because if the screw up just one time the liberals will run the story over and over and over and over (YES JUST LIKE WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW), until everyone thinks this is the norm. This is not the norm!!!!!!. Why do the American haters think this is the norm???????? Is a little light starting to come on in your head?

Let me add one more thing. If one of our troops were held captive by the terrorist's would you rather these terrorist be ones that have viewed our constant media coverage of Abu ghraib or terrorists that viewed film of the normal chushy treatment of terrorist prisoners? Think about this please.

dude, this isn't about what your "liberal" bogeyman does (which is such a retarded viewpoint), its that if al queda or whomever gets ahold of info that we're treating prisoners badly (like, abu ghrab or whereever) they publicize the hell out of it. once it gets out, then the 24 hour news networks (which have a lot of airtime to fill) get it and run with it. including your beloved faux news. if you think the religious nutters we're fighting are liberal, you're the dumbest mofo on the face of the earth.

Supermark, you are the liberal boogeyman you are talking about. It is intellectual liberals like yourself and America haters, not like yourself, that suck up the constant 24/7 liberal media. This was fueled of course by the do the whatever we can to get Bush the hell out of office agenda. I don't know how you could see it any other way. So the "they" you are talking about is you supermark. Anyone that keeps bringing this up is the "they". Wasmaba brought this up earlier so he is the "they". ARE YOU FRICKIN READING ME DUMBASS. It is always the liberals that keep bringing this up. Of course this makes our military and our country look not so good. WHY DO THEY KEEP BRINGING THIS UP? You never hear conservatives complain about how the terrorists were treated in prison. It is the "they" that are more concerned about how our enemies are treated. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS.

I didn't know John McCain was a liberal. huh, who knew?

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wcushman wrote:

Where does one go to be water-boarded? I would like to see for myself how terrible it is.

In the meantime, this Chinese cure for prostate problems, which I will not attempt, probably should be included in Heeman's list of things that constitute torture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdJZnFccVnM

Wow, I see potential in this. Maybe a new Olympic sport?

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wcushman wrote:

Where does one go to be water-boarded? I would like to see for myself how terrible it is.

In the meantime, this Chinese cure for prostate problems, which I will not attempt, probably should be included in Heeman's list of things that constitute torture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdJZnFccVnM
Actually Cushman the list of torture that I gave came from a list that the Chicoms -currently- do to their own peeps. I can't comment on their prostate treatment but am starting to cringe in anticipation to what you are going to share.


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ONeil wrote:

Now that's funny. HeeHawMan thinks he knows more about pain and torture than an experienced military medic. As a civilian medic who's worked with some of those guys who've come back from Afghanistan, I can tell you, they've seen it all. I'd love to hear what experience HeeHawMan has had (other than his own fantasies) that makes him think he's qualified to pronounce that water-boarding isn't torture.
I do not have any experience dealing with intentionally tortured peeps that is unless you consider, self hanging, self mutilation, self stabbing, self shooting, self asphyxiation, rapid deceleration from great heights, self burning, self woodchiping, etc. I've seen peeps crushed, steamrolled, popped, extruded, grated, electrocuted, snapped, beheaded, cut in two, well lets see have I missed any. I realize that this does not make me an expert on military torture techniques but I fail to see where I questioned an experienced military guy that dealt with tortured peeps. Help me here oneil.


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I look forward to Rick Perry being the Republican nominee.

It should be a good battle: Southern red-neck vs. Ivy League intellectual.

Obama should fight him, on his own terms. Do things like: use big words, and complex sentences. Even talk in paragraphs...boy, that'll confuse him.

Perry will do the same thing Bush did: try to out-redneck the other guy, with Perry's Beverly Hillbilly routine, of 'we ain't partial to no fancy booklearnin' and cyphering, 'round here.'

A good matchup: The guy who is smart enough to be a law school professor, vs. the "C" student who's grades were not good enough, to get into law school.

Obama should lecture him, scoff at him, treat him like the slow learner he is. Go all academic on him, say things he might say to one of his slower-witted students. Talk over his head. It isn't hard. Perry will be left, scratching his head, wondering what this fancy-talking college boy meant.

Maybe throw in the odd mini-lecture on Keynesian economics.

That's how to deal with Jethro Perry-Bodean.

....Why do it this way?

The public by now realizes they need a leader for the 21st century, not one stuck in the 19th century. The campaign should be about the future, not the past.

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