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Wed, 07 Sep 2011, 7:44pm #1
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New SolarCity deal will double U.S. rooftop solar power


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Thu, 08 Sep 2011, 2:11am #2
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Hi DGDanforth,

Great post!

However I have a question, when reading the info provided by your link, I noticed that this is mostly an initiative engendered by the military.

The fact that the military is involved in such forward looking planing comes as no surprise to me.

If there is anything I know about the military it is that whatever their faults they have a plethora of people who are focused on future threats and are thoroughly involved in searching for solutions to said threats.

So my question is, where are the comments by conservatives, who postulate to support the military, when someone like you posts an example of the military's ability to ignore rhetoric and pursue a green path?

Somehow I find their silence a puzzle.

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When the facts change, I change my mind," John Maynard Keynes once observed in a debate. "What do you do, sir?" Why, sir, they take no notice of changed facts and so are untroubled by such questions.

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Thu, 08 Sep 2011, 12:12pm #3
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antiguajohn wrote:

...Somehow I find their silence a puzzle....

antiguajohn

An oldie but a goodie... This is what I find puzzling:

one the home of a Nobel Peace prize winner - 'Greenie'; and one not...

House #1

A 20 room, 10,000 square foot mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more energy than the average American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400 per month. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern ‘snow belt’ area.

House #2

Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every ‘green’ feature current home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on a high prairie. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground.

The water (usually 67 degrees F) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.

House #1 is located in the ultra-wealthy enclave of Nashville called Belle Meade; it is Al Gore’s house. House #2 is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas ; it is the residence of George W. Bush.


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Sat, 10 Sep 2011, 3:52am #4
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dvelasco68 wrote:

antiguajohn wrote:

...Somehow I find their silence a puzzle....

antiguajohn

An oldie but a goodie... This is what I find puzzling:

one the home of a Nobel Peace prize winner - 'Greenie'; and one not...

House #1

A 20 room, 10,000 square foot mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more energy than the average American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400 per month. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern ‘snow belt’ area.

House #2

Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every ‘green’ feature current home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on a high prairie. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground.

The water (usually 67 degrees F) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.

House #1 is located in the ultra-wealthy enclave of Nashville called Belle Meade; it is Al Gore’s house. House #2 is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas ; it is the residence of George W. Bush.

Hi dvelasco68,

For the sake of argument I will not dispute your postulate, however I will point out that you are using an "ad-hominem" form of argument, which is as always a logical fallacy.

If I were to analyze your postulate, I would have to say that you are comparing houses that are not only constructed at different times but also vastly differ in size as well as being located in different climates.

I I didn't know better I would suspect that you were engaging in some form of political smear campaign, rather than addressing the true issues that we all face in terms of securing a sustainable life style for all citizens of planet earth.

antiguajohn


When the facts change, I change my mind," John Maynard Keynes once observed in a debate. "What do you do, sir?" Why, sir, they take no notice of changed facts and so are untroubled by such questions.

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Sat, 10 Sep 2011, 12:16pm #5
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Antiguajohn,

I was just giving an example the opposite of what you implied was the norm...

I wonder, now that Al has made all this money, has he converted / retrofitted all his homes to be 100% green???

Other than the 'Carbon credits' Al bought (which further his ponzi scheme), what personal 'green' initiatives has he done? Buy a Telsa for personal use? Solar panels on his home? Geothermal? Plant a thousand trees?

I don't know, really... I'm just asking...

And please, who brought up conservative?? not me... It just happens my example includes to leaders, who happen to have been POTUS, and VPOTUS... I would have voted for Gore in a second 20 years ago, as (I at least) viewed him as moderate back then...

antiguajohn wrote:

Hi dvelasco68,

For the sake of argument I will not dispute your postulate, however I will point out that you are using an "ad-hominem" form of argument, which is as always a logical fallacy.

If I were to analyze your postulate, I would have to say that you are comparing houses that are not only constructed at different times but also vastly differ in size as well as being located in different climates.

I I didn't know better I would suspect that you were engaging in some form of political smear campaign, rather than addressing the true issues that we all face in terms of securing a sustainable life style for all citizens of planet earth.

antiguajohn


"So long as they don't get violent, I want to let everyone say what they wish, for I myself have always said exactly what pleased me..." - Albert Einstein

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Sat, 10 Sep 2011, 12:31pm #6
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outfitting your home can make a statement, true. Being a global leader, encouraging or suppressing needed change, makes an incredible difference. The current President probably does not have any cosmetic "greenery" yet has maneuvered an order of magnitude of funding toward energy independency. This matters.


Thanks BTV for the blog

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Sat, 10 Sep 2011, 12:38pm #7
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The military angle? Well, they are part of the government which is trying to spawn the next economy. However, IMO, energy independence increases the likelihood that they will not be called upon to fight in oil producing regions.
Also, long range military assessments have linked future conflicts with climate change and oil depletion.

Seems like America, somewhere, is thinking a bit forward.


Thanks BTV for the blog

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Sat, 10 Sep 2011, 6:25pm #8
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I think the USA will probably have active combatants in Venezuela before much longer.

Notice how twitchy Hugo Chavez is getting about taking his gold away from US control?

Here is a video from Stratfor that seems to agree somewhat..

https://www.stratfor.com/campaign/portfolio-ven...

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Sun, 11 Sep 2011, 3:22am #9
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FYI I just doubled my solar capacity for pennies a watt.

Sun electric in Miami has Crystalline, not amorphous, panels for $0.75 a watt. grab em, just got mine delivered last week they are sweet. Got a few weeks of work to get up on the roof though.


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Sun, 11 Sep 2011, 8:57am #10
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Half the government spending on this goes to china to pay for the solar cells. The electronics were also made in Asia. The lowest technology in the project will go to Americans doing the installation.

BKK, $0.75 per watt is pretty good since the silver in it cost $0.15 and the polysilicon cost about $0.30 per watt.


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Sun, 11 Sep 2011, 9:54am #11
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Yes this matters... By lining the pockets of friends, such as the $535MM loan guarantees, which was a known bad investment... And was done under 'green' auspices...

ricinro wrote:

outfitting your home can make a statement, true. Being a global leader, encouraging or suppressing needed change, makes an incredible difference. The current President probably does not have any cosmetic "greenery" yet has maneuvered an order of magnitude of funding toward energy independency. This matters.


"So long as they don't get violent, I want to let everyone say what they wish, for I myself have always said exactly what pleased me..." - Albert Einstein

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