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Tue, 11 Oct 2011, 8:38am #1
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http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/2009-cadil...

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Consumers don't hold back the technology, but dirty little tricks by big oil does. Venture capitol is what gets emerging tech going, and if your a major oil company, how do you legally dry up this influx of capitol? You just create a shell company that promises a energy storage break through in the form of a special capacitor. EEStor in Cedar Park, Texas (yes, Texas, that alone should have been a red flag), did just that, and probably for 5 years, stalled out a billion investment dollars for companies like A123 and others that were having LiPo battery breakthroughs.

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http://theeestory.com/topics/4722?page=1#p100234

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Tue, 11 Oct 2011, 9:04am #2
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Muftee wrote:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/2009-cadil...

Consumers don't hold back the technology, but dirty little tricks by big oil does. Venture capitol is what gets emerging tech going, and if your a major oil company, how do you legally dry up this influx of capitol? You just create a shell company that promises a energy storage break through in the form of a special capacitor. EEStor in Cedar Park, Texas (yes, Texas, that alone should have been a red flag), did just that, and probably for 5 years, stalled out a billion investment dollars for companies like A123 and others that were having LiPo battery breakthroughs.

Talking about red flags! Why should anyone pay attention to someone who has not passed 5th grade English? CAPITOL is a building in Washington, DC where Congress meets. YOUR is a possessive pronoun, not a contraction of "you are".


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Tue, 11 Oct 2011, 9:12am #3
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Liberal Arts degree maybe, but evidently not an English major. The correct useage is: you're, not your. Also the knd of capital to which I believe you are referring is spelled with an a and not an o.
I am interested however in understanding what precise point you were attempting to make. Are you suggesting that Big Oil has somehow held back EEstor?

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Tue, 11 Oct 2011, 9:16am #4
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Innishfad wrote:

Liberal Arts degree maybe, but evidently not an English major. The correct useage is: you're, not your. Also the knd of capital to which I believe you are referring is spelled with an a and not an o.
I am interested however in understanding what precise point you were attempting to make. Are you suggesting that Big Oil has somehow held back EEstor?

err...that's a quote (see link) and wow, that was really unnecessary.

Muftee

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http://theeestory.com/topics/4722?page=1#p100234

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Tue, 11 Oct 2011, 9:16am #5
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I theorized this several years ago but yeah right. If it was true dw would be releasing more updates that were way more convincing. This is a bullshit. :)


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Tue, 11 Oct 2011, 9:24am #6
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wcushman wrote:

Muftee wrote:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/2009-cadil...

Consumers don't hold back the technology, but dirty little tricks by big oil does. Venture capitol is what gets emerging tech going, and if your a major oil company, how do you legally dry up this influx of capitol? You just create a shell company that promises a energy storage break through in the form of a special capacitor. EEStor in Cedar Park, Texas (yes, Texas, that alone should have been a red flag), did just that, and probably for 5 years, stalled out a billion investment dollars for companies like A123 and others that were having LiPo battery breakthroughs.

Talking about red flags! Why should anyone pay attention to someone who has not passed 5th grade English? CAPITOL is a building in Washington, DC where Congress meets. YOUR is a possessive pronoun, not a contraction of "you are".

Wow, that was a quote (see link). Also kind of unnecessary.

Muftee


Liberal arts graduate degree. No business training but own my own business. Go figure.

http://theeestory.com/topics/4722?page=1#p100234

I don't know jack about electronics and chemistry. That's not my role here.

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Tue, 11 Oct 2011, 10:04am #7
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Exxon/Mobil will tell you real quick that they are in the oil business. They will not be sidetracked with green energy. Their future is in oil for at least another 50 years. Contrary to what some here proclaim (EESU will be the death of big oil) I will assure you EEStor is not on their radar. Never has been. Never will be. The demand for oil has not peaked and neither has the supply IMO. Governments will come and go. Oil will be king for a long, long time.

The EESU is a "storage device". It can't store oil.

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Tue, 11 Oct 2011, 10:09am #8
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Gosh Muff! I guess you have to use quotes from now on to protect yourself from a lambasting! They give Po a break understandably since English is not his native language but "you're" being watched! I wonder what offshore country DW has all his big oil scam money in? Thanks for "your" post Muff and all the laughs you guys!


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Excessive wrote:

Exxon/Mobil will tell you real quick that they are in the oil business. They will not be sidetracked with green energy. Their future is in oil for at least another 50 years. Contrary to what some here proclaim (EESU will be the death of big oil) I will assure you EEStor is not on their radar. Never has been. Never will be. The demand for oil has not peaked and neither has the supply IMO. Governments will come and go. Oil will be king for a long, long time.
Oil will only be/stay king through corruption and stupidity and it wouldn't surprise me that they concentrate on the former as the #1 priority.


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Tue, 11 Oct 2011, 10:20am #10
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clearly some people here are missing the joke.

anyway.... why didn't any of our kooks think of that.

they are clearly slacking around here. Thub? REPORT! what gives?


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Tue, 11 Oct 2011, 10:36am #11
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Excessive wrote:

Exxon/Mobil will tell you real quick that they are in the oil business. They will not be sidetracked with green energy. Their future is in oil for at least another 50 years. Contrary to what some here proclaim (EESU will be the death of big oil) I will assure you EEStor is not on their radar. Never has been. Never will be. The demand for oil has not peaked and neither has the supply IMO. Governments will come and go. Oil will be king for a long, long time.

The EESU is a "storage device". It can't store oil.

Excessive:
I agree with your comments on oil companies and the future for oil.
Here's an article from today's New Energy & Fuel blog that totally supports your point of view.

http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2011/10/11/there%e2%80%99s-an-oil-boom-in-america/


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Tue, 11 Oct 2011, 11:27am #12
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Gee whiz Muftee, why are you stirring up the English tutors with quotes like that?


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Tue, 11 Oct 2011, 11:28am #13
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Sean wrote:

hoarybat wrote:

Excessive wrote:

Exxon/Mobil will tell you real quick that they are in the oil business. They will not be sidetracked with green energy. Their future is in oil for at least another 50 years. Contrary to what some here proclaim (EESU will be the death of big oil) I will assure you EEStor is not on their radar. Never has been. Never will be. The demand for oil has not peaked and neither has the supply IMO. Governments will come and go. Oil will be king for a long, long time.
Oil will only be/stay king through corruption and stupidity and it wouldn't surprise me that they concentrate on the former as the #1 priority.

Unfortunately Oil will stay king because the world runs on cheap easy to store, easy to use energy. There is currently no substitute that even comes close.

combustion is OUT


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Tue, 11 Oct 2011, 11:57am #14
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Muftee wrote:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/2009-cadil...

quoted poster wrote:
Consumers don't hold back the technology, but dirty little tricks by big oil does. Venture capitol is what gets emerging tech going, and if your a major oil company, how do you legally dry up this influx of capitol? You just create a shell company that promises a energy storage break through in the form of a special capacitor. EEStor in Cedar Park, Texas (yes, Texas, that alone should have been a red flag), did just that, and probably for 5 years, stalled out a billion investment dollars for companies like A123 and others that were having LiPo battery breakthroughs.
From personal experience, although there is the odd conspiracy floating around, most bad things that happen or good things that do not happen are due to cock-ups (USA translation of this common UK English phrase reads "mistakes").

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Tue, 11 Oct 2011, 12:58pm #15
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Muftee wrote:

wcushman wrote:

Muftee wrote:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/2009-cadil...

Consumers don't hold back the technology, but dirty little tricks by big oil does. Venture capitol is what gets emerging tech going, and if your a major oil company, how do you legally dry up this influx of capitol? You just create a shell company that promises a energy storage break through in the form of a special capacitor. EEStor in Cedar Park, Texas (yes, Texas, that alone should have been a red flag), did just that, and probably for 5 years, stalled out a billion investment dollars for companies like A123 and others that were having LiPo battery breakthroughs.

Talking about red flags! Why should anyone pay attention to someone who has not passed 5th grade English? CAPITOL is a building in Washington, DC where Congress meets. YOUR is a possessive pronoun, not a contraction of "you are".

Wow, that was a quote (see link). Also kind of unnecessary.

Muftee

Sorry, Muftee. I understood it was a quote and was not referring to your English, but to the apparent lack of education on the part of the author. Why should I take someone like that seriously? Conspiracy believers are weak on logic and try to compensate by using coincidence as evidence. For example, the fact that EEStor is in Texas is evidence that big oil is behind EEStor. Sounds like Rosie O'Donnell claiming that the US Government was behind the destruction of the World Trade Center towers when she said sarcastically on TV as evidence, "like fire can really weaken steel".

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Tue, 11 Oct 2011, 1:07pm #16
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wcushman wrote:

Muftee wrote:

wcushman wrote:

Muftee wrote:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/2009-cadil...

Consumers don't hold back the technology, but dirty little tricks by big oil does. Venture capitol is what gets emerging tech going, and if your a major oil company, how do you legally dry up this influx of capitol? You just create a shell company that promises a energy storage break through in the form of a special capacitor. EEStor in Cedar Park, Texas (yes, Texas, that alone should have been a red flag), did just that, and probably for 5 years, stalled out a billion investment dollars for companies like A123 and others that were having LiPo battery breakthroughs.

Talking about red flags! Why should anyone pay attention to someone who has not passed 5th grade English? CAPITOL is a building in Washington, DC where Congress meets. YOUR is a possessive pronoun, not a contraction of "you are".

Wow, that was a quote (see link). Also kind of unnecessary.

Muftee

Sorry, Muftee. I understood it was a quote and was not referring to your English, but to the apparent lack of education on the part of the author. Why should I take someone like that seriously?

My apologies. My mistake and I very much agree with you.

Cheers,

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http://theeestory.com/topics/4722?page=1#p100234

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Tue, 11 Oct 2011, 3:11pm #17
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Oil will continue to be relied on heavily regardless how many electric vehicles people buy because the electricity has to come from somewhere. In a post Fukushima world, massive expansion of nuclear capacity won't be popular, wind/solar will only ever be supplemental sources that will need conventional backup since it's not always sunny or windy, etc. In the end it will be coal/nat gas/oil largely powering the grid unless some technical breakthroughs are made (commercially viable fusion, etc).

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Clarity2009 wrote:

In the end it will be coal/nat gas/oil largely powering the grid unless some technical breakthroughs are made (commercially viable fusion, etc).

Thorium is already more viable and likely than fusion.
Fusion is scarier than thorium. If the money wasted on fusion had been spent on thorium we would already be there.

IMHO Big Oil is more worried about thorium than EEstor. They don't see the The EEstory as real, let alone think anyone would be distracted by it. IMHO the EEstory is not a "trojan horse" more likely a "pipe dream".

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I think DW was seen having lunch at Exxon headquarters.

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wcushman wrote:

Sorry, Muftee. I understood it was a quote and was not referring to your English, but to the apparent lack of education on the part of the author. Why should I take someone like that seriously?

Perhaps the OP knew teh proper spelling but his autocorrect did not? (I know how to spell the word "the" - but my fingers sometimes do not).

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DeedleTwo wrote:

wcushman wrote:

Sorry, Muftee. I understood it was a quote and was not referring to your English, but to the apparent lack of education on the part of the author. Why should I take someone like that seriously?

Perhaps the OP knew teh proper spelling but his autocorrect did not? (I know how to spell the word "the" - but my fingers sometimes do not).

The author's logic was consistent with his English. He presented no evidence to back it other than the fact that EEStor is in Texas which must mean it was created by "Big Oil". I think people who are writing things for the entire world to read are showing their best level of performance as though they were writing a résumé. I never hired people who were likely to make me look stupid for hiring them, especially to my customers.


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