TecsFanEE wrote:Like I have said before, I dont agree with everything Student has said, but I dont agree with everything anyone says.
I can see how he would have the views he has on Taiwan and Tibet if he is Chinese. It would be kind of like how we see we have a right to have Texas and California and a whole country once owned by Indians. I dont agree with his point of view about Tibet and Taiwan, but its his right to think as he wishes.
Thanks. It's amazing what propaganda is fed to US citizens by the US media. Just reading wikipedia (ThubtenN's source) is informative if you think about what it is saying.
ThubtenN wrote:Student your history is selective. Here is a more objective version of Tibet's history.
student wrote: First off, Tibet was settled by Chinese around 2750 years ago.
See The Economist July 17, 2010 issue.
student wrote: Second, it was taken by the Mongols in the 1240's.
thubtenN's source wrote: Mongolian prince Khuden conquered Tibet in the 1240s and made the Sakya Pandita the Mongolian viceroy for Central Tibet, though the eastern provinces of Kham and Amdo remained under direct Mongol rule.
student wrote: Third, Kublai Khan invaded the rest of China in 1271 and the two parts were united again up to present day.
thubtenN's source wrote: When Kublai Khan founded the Yuan Dynasty in 1271, Tibet became a part of it.
student wrote: In the first part of the last century there was much turmoil in China due to western meddling and a corrupt government. During the ensuing civil war, the province of Tibet isolated itself. With the founding of the PRC, most of China was once more made whole, including Tibet.
thubtenN's source wrote: the Chinese Revolution, began with the Wuchang Uprising on October 10, 1911 and ended with the abdication of Emperor Puyi on February 12, 1912...The revolution...set up a weak provisional central government over a politically fragmented country. Reactionaries briefly and abortively restored the monarchy twice, leading to a period of military rule...when the Republic of China formally replaced the Qing Dynasty, internal conflict persisted. The nation endured a failed Second Revolution, a Warlord Era and the Chinese Civil War before the Communists took control on October 1, 1949...
[the former Dalai Lama] declared himself ruler of an independent absolutist theocracy in Tibet ...between 1912 and 1951.
...The Chinese Communist government led by Mao Zedong which came to power in October  lost little time in asserting a new Chinese presence in Tibet...the People's Liberation Army confronted the Dalai Lama's army at Qamdo in 1950 and negotiated the Seventeen Point Agreement with the newly crowned 14th Dalai Lama's government, affirming the People's Republic of China's sovereignty...
thubtenN, your source backs me up. Link to post
As for Taiwan, Taiwanese seem most interested in maintaining their standard of living and current format of rule. This includes the idea of one China. Unification talks occur off and on, tending to break down over details. Few see a Taiwan which is not more integrated with the mainland in future. Focus is currently on deepening economic ties and reducing barriers for people.
Bill Nye says limits for a dielectric are simply what have been demonstrated to date.
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