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This gives some added credibility to EEstor...

(WO/2008/156903) GARMENT INCLUDING ELECTRICAL ENERGY STORAGE UNIT

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?WO=2008156903

Alternatively, electrical energy storage unit 109 may comprise one or more solid state, capacitive, electrical energy storage devices, such as those provided by

EEstor, Inc. of Cedar Park, Texas, as described in U.S. Patent 7,033,406 to Weir et a/., which is incorporated herein by reference for all purposes. Such solid state electrical energy storage devices comprise calcined composition-modified barium titanate coated with aluminum oxide and calcium magnesium aluminosilicate glass. Electrical energy storage unit 203 may alternatively comprise one or more lithium ion batteries, one or more nickel-metal hydride batteries, or the like.

Last edited Mon, 29 Dec 2008, 10:06am by garyb

Very interesting...good find...

In any case, if Eestor does come up with something, I am convinced it will show up in a military application first, before Zenn.

Hansje wrote:

In any case, if Eestor does come up with something, I am convinced it will show up in a military application first, before Zenn.

It may or may not "show up" in a military application first, but you will likely never know that. You will know about Zenn long before, most likely.

This looks like a really positive filing.

Sweet find. LM has been working with Eestor to integrate EESUs into their solutions for the entire year since the press release in January 2008. By now, LM would know if the tech works. So we have LM filing a WIPO patent on 4/8/2008. This is a CLEAR indication that LM believes the EESU works.

Now, whether Eestor can get mass produciton working is another question.

By the way - I don't think anyone has noticed this yet, but here we have the first official picture of an EESU! Even if it's wrapped up in the garment, it still shows a size/shape that is possible. LM didn't pull this pic out of their arses.

Generic wrote:

richterm wrote:

By the way - I don't think anyone has noticed this yet, but here we have the first official picture of an EESU! Even if it's wrapped up in the garment, it still shows a size/shape that is possible. LM didn't pull this pic out of their arses.

Not out of the arses maybe, but wasn't there a size envelope requirement in the competition? Also, it's been stated from the get go that an EESU can be nearly any size and/or shape (aside from the control electronics?).

Yes, and I see this as somewhat of a "3rd party" confirmation of that. Until now there has been no official record of how LM intended to use the EESU in military applications. If the size/energy density was no where near Eestor's claims, this application would not be remotely possible.

I wouldn't want to be the soldier wearing that Lockheed garment when the EESTOR EESU blows up.

Steve321 wrote:

I wouldn't want to be the soldier wearing that Lockheed garment when the EESTOR EESU blows up.

Incredible statement.

richterm wrote:

Sweet find. LM has been working with Eestor to integrate EESUs into their solutions for the entire year since the press release in January 2008. By now, LM would know if the tech works. So we have LM filing a WIPO patent on 4/8/2008. This is a CLEAR indication that LM believes the EESU works.

agree completely.

eestorblog wrote:

Steve321 wrote:

I wouldn't want to be the soldier wearing that Lockheed garment when the EESTOR EESU blows up.

Incredible statement.

If you mean by destructive testing, then yes. It's totally different than EESU's blowing up while soldiers wear them, unless you are privvy to all the results of that testing.

Shere Khaan wrote:

If you mean by destructive testing, then yes. It's totally different than EESU's blowing up while soldiers wear them, unless you are privvy to all the results of that testing.

Steve321 wrote:

eestorblog wrote:

Steve321 wrote:

I wouldn't want to be the soldier wearing that Lockheed garment when the EESTOR EESU blows up.

Incredible statement.

Why "Incredible statement"? My main concern is the soldier, not the mighty dollar...and wasn't it posted here on this blog that a couple of EESTOR EESU's went up in smoke?

It's incredible that you think someone who designs body armor would design a solution that increases rather than decreases risk to the warfighter and then goes to the trouble of trying to protect the idea with a patent. Absolutely incredible.

What the Lockheed application shows is that they DO think EEstor technology is for real. Secondly, since it's being incorporated into a body armor solution, it underscores what Dick Weir has said from the outset: that the EESU can survive a stake being driven through the middle of it. Now that Lockheed Martin has chimed in with their take on that feature--ie, that they believe it can survive bullets being shot into it, I think you need to start taking a good look in the mirror Steve321. The kitchen is heating up. It's only going to get hotter!

And don't forget my fav. the electric drones that L.M., Northrop Grumman and Boeing are working on. Stealth and quiet.

Plus a ton of robotics from various companies that all need a steady and consistent supply of power. The applications are endless and very $$rewarding$$

Generic wrote:

From the patent:

"While the primary function of electrical energy storage layers 203 and 401 a- 401 h are to provide electrical power, electrical energy storage layers 203 and 401 a- 401 h also provide ballistic round protection to a person behind electrical energy storage layers 203 and 401 a-401 h in addition to armor plate 201. The soft nature of electrical energy storage layers 203 and 401 a-401 h, relative to armor plate 201 , causes a ballistic round or fragment to spiral upon striking one of layers 203 and 401 a-401 h, which provides an enhancement to the ballistic resistance of armor plate 201."

I'm just skimming at the moment but it reads like the EESU is being used as additional protection.

OMG! Not only is it not prone to explosion but it actually aids the resistance of the armor.

Generic wrote:

eestorblog wrote:

OMG! Not only is it not prone to explosion but it actually aids the resistance of the armor.

lol

Can we hold off on that claim until someone who knows how to read a patent verifies this (find the missing images, if their even included in the available material)?

I think it's pretty plain English that the patent is saying the EESU enhances ballistic protection.

eestorblog wrote:

Generic wrote:

From the patent:

"While the primary function of electrical energy storage layers 203 and 401 a- 401 h are to provide electrical power, electrical energy storage layers 203 and 401 a- 401 h also provide ballistic round protection to a person behind electrical energy storage layers 203 and 401 a-401 h in addition to armor plate 201. The soft nature of electrical energy storage layers 203 and 401 a-401 h, relative to armor plate 201 , causes a ballistic round or fragment to spiral upon striking one of layers 203 and 401 a-401 h, which provides an enhancement to the ballistic resistance of armor plate 201."

I'm just skimming at the moment but it reads like the EESU is being used as additional protection.

OMG! Not only is it not prone to explosion but it actually aids the resistance of the armor.

Hey B,
I don't want to rehash old news, since there are newbies here why don't you tell them why EESTOR did not enter the military competition in CA to win the million dollar? Click on the following link to see who the winner of the million dollar prize was, it certainly wasn't EESTOR:
http://www.sfc.com/en/news/neu-efoy-pro-series....
Simple question to you B, would the military sign a contract with a company that is a loser or would they sign a contract with one of the top 3 winners in the competition?

How many Lockheed vests will it take to power a CityZenn? Will it be ready for manufacturing 3rd quarter 2009?

Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster, GaryB!

Kudos to you! A most significant find indeed!

This is the confirmation re LM that we've been looking for; that they've actually progressed beyond just talks with EEStor. I realize this is still a proposal, not evidence that a prototype has actually been developed, but it's the "smoking gun" that LM is, at least, seriously looking at using EEStor technology.

this is a goood find.

richterm wrote:

By the way - I don't think anyone has noticed this yet, but here we have the first official picture of an EESU! Even if it's wrapped up in the garment, it still shows a size/shape that is possible. LM didn't pull this pic out of their arses.

Sorry, but no. The mention of EEStor's EESU appears only in the notes as a proposed *alternative* power source.

Lensman wrote:

richterm wrote:

By the way - I don't think anyone has noticed this yet, but here we have the first official picture of an EESU! Even if it's wrapped up in the garment, it still shows a size/shape that is possible. LM didn't pull this pic out of their arses.

Sorry, but no. The mention of EEStor's EESU appears only in the notes as a proposed *alternative* power source.

I disagree Lens. The whole patent is geared toward an EESU. Read the title. That's not a fuel cell or a Li-ion battery in the garment.

richterm wrote:

Lensman wrote:

richterm wrote:

By the way - I don't think anyone has noticed this yet, but here we have the first official picture of an EESU! Even if it's wrapped up in the garment, it still shows a size/shape that is possible. LM didn't pull this pic out of their arses.

Sorry, but no. The mention of EEStor's EESU appears only in the notes as a proposed *alternative* power source.

I disagree Lens. The whole patent is geared toward an EESU. Read the title. That's not a fuel cell or a Li-ion battery in the garment.

NickSheeson wrote:

richterm wrote:

Lensman wrote:

richterm wrote:

By the way - I don't think anyone has noticed this yet, but here we have the first official picture of an EESU! Even if it's wrapped up in the garment, it still shows a size/shape that is possible. LM didn't pull this pic out of their arses.

Sorry, but no. The mention of EEStor's EESU appears only in the notes as a proposed *alternative* power source.

I disagree Lens. The whole patent is geared toward an EESU. Read the title. That's not a fuel cell or a Li-ion battery in the garment.

How about this for military use.

http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,160195...

Just add power.

richterm wrote:

Lensman wrote:

Sorry, but no. The mention of EEStor's EESU appears only in the notes as a proposed *alternative* power source.

I disagree Lens. The whole patent is geared toward an EESU. Read the title. That's not a fuel cell or a Li-ion battery in the garment.

*Chuckle*

Interesting how this patent is functioning as a Rorschach inkblot test, with forum members reading their own preconceptions, both pro- and anti-EEStor, into what they read.

Richterm, the phrase "Electrical Energy Storage Unit" does appear in the title, and at first glance, it's certainly understandable that we on this forum think this refers to EEStor's EESU.

However, if you click on the "Description" tab at the referenced website, and scan down thru the text, you'll find:

Alternatively, electrical energy storage unit 109 may comprise one or more solid state, capacitive, electrical energy storage devices, such as those provided by EEstor, Inc. of Cedar Park, Texas...

This makes it quite clear that the title does *not* refer to EEStor's device, nor does the illustration show an EEStor EESU. As I said, a reference to EEStor's EESU is included as an *alternative* power device.

BTW that's part of the text that GaryB posted above, in the parent post, so it *should* have been clear from the beginning of this thread. It certainly was clear to *me*. So far as I can see-- correct me if I'm wrong-- this is the *only* reference to EEStor or EEStor's tech in the entire document.

This is *not* proof that EEStor's tech works. It *is* proof of continued interest by LM in developing prototypes using EEStor's tech.

Last edited Sun, 28 Dec 2008, 4:35pm by Darth Lensman Archive

For the newbies, this is the competition I was referring to:
http://www.dod.mil/ddre/prize/final_event.html
This is the thread discussing speculation about Lockheed, EESTOR, and the military body armor including the clueless interview of Dick Weir by B:
http://theeestory.com/topics/375?page=1

Question to you B, would the military sign a contract with a company that is a loser in the competition or would they sign a contract with one of the top 3 winners in the competition?

How many Lockheed vests will it take to power a CityZenn? Will it be ready for manufacturing 3rd quarter 2009?

Generic wrote:

mclovin02 wrote:

Not! This was created by Lockheed just in case eestor had developed anything in time for that battery competition they had a while back. Obviously, that didn't go anywhere either.
http://www.sfc.com/en/news/neu-efoy-pro-series....

So you don't think Lockheed's specifically mentioning EEstor in their patent filing adds any credibility to the company? They have exclusive rights to the tech in military applications, and could've just as easily left the battery description as generic as possible.

No credibility impact from this statement whatsoever, the statement merely envisions possible battery incarnations, one of which might be an EESU if it turns out to be a legitimate technology. It says absolutely nothing about the present existence of a working device.

Lensman wrote:

richterm wrote:

Lensman wrote:

Sorry, but no. The mention of EEStor's EESU appears only in the notes as a proposed *alternative* power source.

I disagree Lens. The whole patent is geared toward an EESU. Read the title. That's not a fuel cell or a Li-ion battery in the garment.

*Chuckle*

Interesting how this patent is functioning as a Rorschach inkblot test, with forum members reading their own preconceptions, both pro- and anti-EEStor, into what they read.

Richterm, the phrase "Electrical Energy Storage Unit" does appear in the title, and at first glance, it's certainly understandable that we on this forum think this refers to EEStor's EESU.

However, if you click on the "Description" tab at the referenced website, and scan down thru the text, you'll find:

Alternatively, electrical energy storage unit 109 may comprise one or more solid state, capacitive, electrical energy storage devices, such as those provided by EEstor, Inc. of Cedar Park, Texas...

This makes it quite clear that the title does *not* refer to EEStor's device, nor does the illustration show an EEStor EESU. As I said, a reference to EEStor's EESU is included as an *alternative* power device.

BTW that's part of the text that GaryB posted above, in the parent post, so it *should* have been clear from the beginning of this thread. It certainly was clear to *me*. So far as I can see-- correct me if I'm wrong-- this is the *only* reference to EEStor or EEStor's tech in the entire document.

This is *not* proof that EEStor's tech works. It *is* proof of continued interest by LM in developing prototypes using EEStor's tech.

Yes! (sheesh)