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Yes Professor Tom I see it now.

DW: hey Carl this ..err capacitor formula.
CN; yeh dick what about it.
DW: Well if I just raise the voltage its .. well super ... no its an Ultracapacitor.
CN :Oh wow dick I worked with Von Hipple and have tried for decade to advance capacitors and there inherent dielectrics and we never thought of that ... lets make one !
DW : Yeee Haw !!!!

This is EE-Toms world... this is also as far as reality a is possible.

The know about saturation,breakdown,permitivity and ED!!!!

Mark

yes ok

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fixxed now

mark

Actually 3 sources as Zenn is releasing it as material.

Every revelation makes scam more and more unlikly but still unfounded bashing of Weir continues.

Weir is the anti-christ... burn the weir burn the weir.

what is everyone afraid of ?

Mark

wow Oak-Thick-et appropriate name.

Mark

So Zenn, EEstor, Golla and PT-I are lying ...

What for everyone goes to jail and there isn't much un-accounted for money .

I think your myth has been BUSTED.

Mark

Ok
proffesor Tom

Can we agree that they have.

4 Patents
Barium Nitrate that is purer than anything made before.
CMBT best purity ,crystalization and homogenity of particle size ever made.
A production line with certification of the chemical production.

They have in fact mapped out how to cheaply produce breakthrough chemicals in a novel manner. Then actually produced in quantity what they have previously applied for ip protection on.

My question is how they have arrived at the need to make the chemicals, combine them and go on to produce a component without having vast previous knowledge of the required specifications to produce a high ED capacitor.

Everything we see is aimed at not producing a lab sample, but to produce in quantity chemicals, in quantity CMBT and in quantity production line derived EESU's.

While I would believe that a person that was trying to do this with no previous experience in high volume high quality low defect production might try going directly to production. It is inconcievable the Weir and Nelson would do this. They have a history of producing what they say they will. They have a history of successful patents. They have no history of faking experiments or experimental data or patent data.

Lets state some facts.
You have not seen or tested Barium or CMBT of this purity or even partices size.

You have not seen or tested Cmbt as above with a 100angstrom Al2O3 coating.

You have not seen or tested a dielectric as above immersed in a PET matrix with Al electrodes polled at +2kv-2kv.

Yet you are happy to pronounce that it is impossible.

So much for scientific curiosity and so much for testing the hypothesis.

Mark

It's certified by Golla and was accepted by Zenn... so is it a conspircy or is it real ?

They seem to have a trail of patents from Barium to EESU all supported with tests and a production line. I don't know if a packaged EESu will work because apparently ... one hasn't appeared yet. What I do kno is theyhave produced extra-ordinary chemicals and produced patents to protect them. #rd parties have certified the purity and particle size from a production line.

So
Who's the liar

0_o

Mark

Y_Po wrote:

Mark wrote:

Yes ok... but what about Golla and TR-I why would they lie for Weir ?

Perhaps you could reference a study on say ... the imposibility of finding impurities in the ppm/ppb range.

Perhaps Weir isn't a liar... perhaps someone else is ... hmmm

You have Golla saying parts per trillion?

The purification of the EEStor, Inc. chemicals has been certified by
the same chemical analysis company as EEStor's press release dated January
17, 2007 and now indicates that EEStor has improved its chemical purity to
the parts-per-billion range. The aluminum oxide particle coating material
purification has been certified to be in the parts-per-trillion level.

http://www2.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?A.../www/story/07-29-2008/0004857762&EDATE=

It's a public statement.

cmbt ppb Al203 ppt

good work eh

Mark

Yes ok... but what about Golla and TR-I why would they lie for Weir ?

Perhaps you could reference a study on say ... the imposibility of finding impurities in the ppm/ppb range.

Perhaps Weir isn't a liar... perhaps someone else is ... hmmm

Right so you know more thn Golla and TR-I.

Please show off your gargantuan intelect by ... say telling us why you think the tests are 'bs' ?

You think what ... they can't test to ppb? or you think that there is a conspirasy ... 0_o

Mark

Y_Po wrote:

I am skeptical ppt levels can me measured, certainly not on random sample and by ordinary means.
And as far as I can tell nobody except Weir claimed it. And we all know that Mr. Weir likes to "exaggerate".
In any case, I doubt very much that "certification" involved any actual purity measurement.


and one more thing, high purity will not help him to achieve claimed ED.

I'm sorry ... you can't measure in random samples... WTF ?

The testing consisted of the production line running and the tester taking samples from the production line.

You call BS on who ? The testing lab ?

I call BS on your idiotic statement that purity won't help ED. Caps fail from oxidation and impurities/imperfections that lead to .... breakdown. Higher purity will raise the ED before failure at least for impurities and I would also thing imperfections to some degree.

The tests are done the Barium nitrate and chelate/oxolate are proven in actual production line tests. As usual your tempts to re-write history are re-buffed. EEstor have proven results for chemical purity from the production line. EEStor have delivered everything they hve promised up to this point (delivery of an EESU) and the ip they have generated is extremly valuable.

If you have some valid points to raise do it, and please don't make a sweeping statement then call every one an idiot and depart.

Mark

Y_Po wrote:

The aluminum oxide particle coating material purification has been certified to be in the parts-per-trillion level.

Call me a skeptic but I call it BS.

Why do you deliberatly do this ? You obviously have intelligence but are you trying to say that the testing company has lied ? or that its not possible to get Al203 in ppt impuities ? or are saying that DW and friends are aliens taking over the bodies of key people like IC and the tester in a cunning plan to .. to .. ahhhhhh!

Mark

tvillars wrote:

Some questions got raised about claimed purity levels. Here is the relevant section from the 2008 press release.

...
The purification of the EEStor, Inc. chemicals has been certified by the same chemical analysis company [Southwest Research Institute, Inc.] as EEStor's press release dated January 17, 2007 and now indicates that EEStor has improved its chemical purity to the parts-per-billion range. The aluminum oxide particle coating material purification has been certified to be in the parts-per-trillion level.
...

http://www2.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/07-29-2008/0004857762&EDATE=

I checked for Barium Nitrate pricing and found American Elements is selling 99.999% Barium Nitrate Solution but no price is given. I have an email into them but haven't had much luck lately with vendors responding to my inquiries.

I thought that Capman said he could walk down the hall and get some .... seems to be taking a long time to get supplier and pricing for this 'common' material.

I am certain that this is just oversight by capman and he will post this 'easy' to access information that from his post I think must be available even in chain stores ... it being so common and easy to do ....

Mark

Well firstly lets not forget Carl Nelson.
Second we have 4 awarded patents on the EESU.
Third we have a new patent on a liquid liquid process to produce Barium that is much more pure and over a much smaller particle size range.
Fourth we know of two more patents that use this already improved Barium to make a much improved doped Barium Titanate dielectric.
Fifth, third parties have tested various steps on the PRODUCTION LINE for quality, particle size and permitivity. Each test has passed.

While certain deniers continue to assert that Weir and Nelson and Zenn and LM and LightEVs are either scamming or deluded they fail to explain how this scam or delusion keeps on producing patented break throughs that are produced in a focused well researched way. These highly technical patents build on what is already known to step by step produce the constituents that an EESU needs. Each step is focused at producing large quantities cheaply, which is exactly what large scale EESU production requires.

Base powder production.
High quality sintered dielectric production.
High quality high volume printing technology.
Innovative modular production line design using inexpensive off the shelf equipment.
Variable output production line where modular components can be setup in different configurations easily.
Clear areas to further improve cost/storage capacity of EESU.
Significant patent protection for the process and the further ability to sell technology/product/ip into the existing capacitor industry and other allied industries.

I dismiss a scam out of hand.

The way this has been done is methodical and each patent continues to show a deep understanding of what is required and how truly unique the combination of Weir and Nelson are.

Some like EE-Tom assert that it is impossible. How then do they know to do these steps ? How do they know they need to make the powder this way? Why are they building a production line ? Why are they being granted patent after patent ?

Mark

This is a big patent that looks like it could be applied to make all Baxxx precipitated chemicals... pretty wide scope.

DAP!!!! where are you.

Mark